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OS X Retail with PCI IDE Card Reports:
Published: 3/24/2001
Last Updated: 9/9/2002
(for list of Acard IDE card OS X 10.2 support)

Acard IDE card Support in OS X 10.2: (From an acard email/word doc. Note that Acard models are also sold by other 'brands' like Sonnet, SIIG and Miglia. Some Sonnet cards are Promise chip based however - like their ATA/100 and ATA/133 non-raid card.)

    ACARD's Adapters Fully Support Mac OS X v10.2
    September 2, 2002- ACARD Technology Corp., today announced its adapters fully support Mac OS X v10.2 shortly after Apple formally introduced the new OS in August 2002. The drivers of the adapters listed below are built in Mac OS 10.2 kernel, and can be found natively on the new Mac OS X v10.2 CD, which makes ACARD's adapters bootable in Mac OS X v10.2. Moreover, users can upgrade the OS while keeping the same firmware for Mac OS 8, OS 9 without considering the firmware compatibility.

    Compatibility List of ACARD's Adapters for Mac OS X v10.2
    IDE Adapters: AEC-6880M (PCI Ultra ATA-133 with RAID 0, 1 support)
    AEC-6280M (PCI Ultra ATA-133 adapter)
    AEC-6860M (PCI Ultra ATA-66 with RAID 0 support)
    AEC-6260M (PCI Ultra ATA-66 adapter)
    SCSI Adapters: AEC-67160M (PCI Ultra160 LVD adapter)
    AEC-6712WM (PCI Ultra Wide adapter)
    AEC-6712TUM (PCI Ultra SCSI adapter)
    AEC-6712TSM (PCI Ultra SCSI adapter)

As noted in the August 2002 news pages, the first 10.2 public/retail release (build 6C115) had some Sonnet ATA/100 and ATA/133 card owner problem reports. (I can't post it due to disclaimers in the email signitures, but this was reported to be a bug in the 10.2 first release that will be fixed in the next update.)

(Previous info is from before OS X 10.2 was released.)

VST ATA/66 OS X Firmware Update (Shareware): [From the 3/13/2002 www.xlr8yourmac.com news page.] As noted here since last spring in this article, the VST UltraTek ATA/66 PCI card is not OS X compatible. However OWC has released today a shareware ($10) firmware update (plus A/V Utility) for the card to add OS X support. See this OWC page for more info and download link. (Note: This flash rom update requires a retail VST ATA/66 card - a reader that bought a card on Ebay that was a PC version of the Promise card modified apparently, noted it did not work.) The retail VST ATA/66 card card is currently $49.95 at OWC, the lowest priced PCI IDE controller I know of for the Mac. (Includes SoftRAID software for OS 9 also.)
Here are reader reports I've gotten on the OWC/VST firmware update so far (latest reports first).

    " Hi Mike,
    I saw the note from the fellow who bought a Promise/VST ATA/66 card on Ebay.

    There is at least one person on Ebay who is (was?) modifying Promise cards and selling them on Ebay. However, the cards he produced were not updateable. The reason is that he wrote the VST UltraTech/66 firmware into a 27C series chip, which is (I believe) an EPROM instead of a Flash Memory chip. So while the Promise card can read the VST firmware out of that chip just fine, and behave like a VST UT/66, it cannot flash the chip with new firmware.

    Modifying the Promise card to use the VST firmware and to be flashable is possible, but it is difficult and requires some expert soldering and additional tricks.

    BTW, the VST UltraTech/66 does not play well in the lower slots of the Umax S900/J700 machines, though I haven't tried it with the new firmware. If it's the only card in the lower slots it's fine. [Note: On the older page here of Umax S900 tips/feedback, it's noted the top 2 PCI slots are preferred for controller cards - past reports there on this issue.-Mike. If there are no drives connected to the UT/66 it is fine, though that isn't a very useful configuration. I mention it, because it can fool you during testing and then zap you when you connect your drives.

    However, if the UT/66 is in a lower slot and there is another card present which has on-board firmware the machine will freeze while initializing the PCI cards (gray or black screen). Cards without on board firmware, such as ethernet, USB and Firewire cards seem to be fine. Also, I found that if the Twin Turbo video card is in a higher numbered slot (lower or left position for S900/J700 respectively) they will coexist.

    Also, I seem to have found an incompatibility between the UT/66 and the Apple/Adaptec OEM 2940U2B when using OS 9.1. It's fine under earlier OSs and either card works fine separately, but put the two together in a PowerSurge machine and all my HFS+ volumes disappear if the machine boots at all. Strangely, having any bootable CD in the CDROM drive seems to alleviate the problem. I thought that dropping the 2940U2B back to firmware 1.1 solved the problem, but the problem came back and appears insolvable.
    Jeff Walther "

    " Mike,
    Tried the new patch for the VST card. Worked fine, but required several reboots to get it to run reliably under 0s10.1.3. However, this is on a 9600 with g3 upgrade and xpostfacto to run OS10! This machine now runs very stably, and allows the monitor to go to sleep, without having the drive go to sleep.

    " Mike,
    Thanks for the heads up on the VST UltraTek 66 firmware update. The update worked flawlessly. I was able to update the firmware under 9, change Startup Drive in the control panel to OS X and reboot into X "while" being tied to the UltraTek. I had installed OS X on my B&W's built in IDE buss but had left the SoftRaid disk driver installed on 9 to take advantage of the software raid "and" did not have enough media to back up 22Gigs of "stuff" onto. The drive wasn't recognized under X if I left it on the UltraTek 66.

    My hats off to OWC and the effort put into a rather simple (?) update that another company "completely" (never replied to my polite emails) dropped the ball on. OWC has done and continues to do a thorough job and helped their customers continue using an otherwise solid piece of third party hardware to keep there expensive equipment up to speed. I hope that OWC has enough of the cards to make a fortune off of, they deserve it for their effort.
    By the way, Larry has mentioned that SoftRaid will be issuing an update as well for OS X. Now we can have our pudding. If anyone uses the shareware I urge them to pay for it and post to the OWC/VST UltraTek forum, it is a good source for new info and updates.
    xlr8yourmac is my home page, I'm paying gratuitous homage.

    " Hi Mike
    I have a dual 533, 896 RAM, the VST card has two 60 gig Maxtors attached which I use mostly for Final Cut Pro. Applied the update and now I can finally use FCP 3 in X. I was fixing to buy a new controller card, looks like it will only be a $10 shareware fee instead!
    Sean "

    " Voila! it works great. It must run under OS9 to do the update. But after one restart6 the card shows. Thanks to OWC
    Avi "

The only problem report so far but it turned out he had a card bought off Ebay (not a retail VST card).

    " Hey,
    regarding the firmware update; it will not work on those Ultratek cards based on Promise Technology! Very disappointing indeed as both ASP and the update program recognize the card as such in the slot. But when you click on update, the message "Error!! !Unlicensed adapter!" appears.

    Andy "

I asked Andy if his cards were actually Mac VST models and he later wrote he bought it on Ebay. [a PC version, modified ROM card.] All VST IDE cards were based on Ultratek firmware and Promise controller chips - however the flasher will not update a card that does not already have the Ultratek Mac firmware in the card (i.e. the card must be the VST Mac ATA/66 model).

The VST ATA/66 card is currently $49.95 at OWC, the lowest priced PCI IDE controller I know of for the Mac. (Includes SoftRAID software for OS 9 also.)
If you try the firmware update with OS X, let me know.

I asked for OS X retail install reports from owners of Mac PCI IDE cards. So far a few readers have written with their experiences. So far most reports were postive except for the Turbomax ATA/33 model (no ATA/33 card owners reported success). To date, no VST IDE card owners have reported success either (hopefully a firmware update will fix that). IDE cards running Softraid (current versions) are not supported based on feedback. (One report noted a Sonnet/Acard IDE Hardware RAID card worked however - it needs no Softraid drivers for RAID.)

TurboMax ATA/33 Card Owners: I've not been able to read all emails but several owners of this card sent copies of replies from Promax that said:

"If you have an ATA-33 card...you will have to upgrade to ATA-66 card....
Please contact Promax's Sale Rep for upgrade price"

VST IDE Card - No OS X Support: (** See the update above for the OWC firmware update to add OS X support. The info in this section is from the original Smartdisk (VST) card reports. **)
As noted here since this page first went up in the spring when OS X was released, the VST ATA/66 IDE card was not supported in OS X. I've gotten about half dozen emails like in November-December 2001 that there will be no OS X updates for this card from VST/Smartdisk. Here's a sample of reader emails on the subject:

    " Thanks for running such a great site. It's one of my daily reads. I've been patiently awaiting OS X support for my VST UltraTek/66 PCI IDE card. Unfortunately, I just got the following info from tech support at SmartDisk (VST):

      We have just been provided with the unfortunate news that our UltraTek/66 will not be supported under OS X. We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. Sorry I could not be of more assistance.
      Thank You!
      (name removed by request)
      Technical Support Specialist
      SmartDisk Corporation

    Looks like I'll have to look for other options to support my additional hard drives under X.
    Mike L."

The Acard ATA/66, Acard ATA/66 RAID, Sonnet Tempo and RAID (same as Acard hardware/firmware) and Acard ATA/100, Acard ATA/133 and Sonnet ATA/100 cards are reported to be natively supported by OS X without any additional drivers. (See reports below and more IDE card related articles are on the IDE Controllers/Drives articles page.)

Reader reports follow (latest first)

[added 8/26/2001]
A reader sent an email that verifies Acard's claim their new ATA/100 cards are OS X compatible.

" I just purchased a new ACARD ATA-100+ for use with a Maxtor DiamondMax 80 ATA-100 drive. Everything works great on my setup (Gigabit G4/400, OS X 10.0.4). It showed up on my OS X desktop with no problems. Performance seems fast, but I don't have any benchmark results saved. I'd be happy to run the benchmarks again under OS 9. Just let me know which tool I should be using, and what range of settings you'd like me to check.
adam b. "

[Added 6/25/2001]

" Hi Mike. I am using a Sonnet Tempo card with the latest 3.1.2 firmware connected to two Maxtor 40GB drives, in a G3/233 desktop (with a 400 mhz accelerator). A few days ago I installed OSX on a partition of one of the drives. I can boot from that drive with no problems. All my drives are visible. - Ken. "

[Added 6/10/2001]
A reader with a B&W G3 and Sonnet Tempo ATA/66 card reported he could not boot from the OS X volume from the ATA/66 card. He later wrote with the solution.

" Hi Mike,
I emailed you a few days ago regarding my problem with the Sonnet Tempo ATA 66 PCI host adaptor. I was not able to boot OS X after installing. Well I've found the problem.

There are two possible connections for the hard drive and I used the last one on the PCI card instead of the first one. When I made the switch OS X booted just fine.

Thanks for responding to my email. And share this with anyone who may encounter the same problem.

I remember there were some reports last year on problems in some macs with IDE cards using the 2nd channel, but thought that was fixed with a later firmware update. I think the above reader tried several firmware versions including the latest 3.12 one however.

This reader not only had an IDE card, but also an older unsupported Mac Clone:

" Mike,
I just did the install of OSX retail on my Umax J700 (same as a S900 as far as installing) Apple has made this much more difficult then it was for OSX pb. Thanks to Ryan Rempel for his work to make the install possible on old world Macs and to Kyle Kost for his rewrite of the system disk control panel so it will work with the UMAX S900/J700. Kyle in his read me says 'don't get too mad at me if this doesn't work...I'm 14 years old!!!' It works just fine!!!

I did the install on my old SCSI drive just to be on the safe side so as not to lose data on my IDE drive and also not knowing if it would work with OSX. To my surprise my 4 partitions on my Sonnet Tempo 66 ata card all show up no problem! It is using the firmware 3.0.8 that came on the card seems to be no need to flash to 3.1.2 which some people had problems with.

Thanks again Mike for a great site and to all the help of the people who come here with their info! -Will S
PS sent with the Mail app from OSX!! "

Sunday's www.xlr8yourmac.com news noted Ryan's new page on OS X 1.0 installs for 7300-9600 Macs. I hope to have a link to Kyle's latest system disk/patch soon.

" It works!! After many attempts to install, , I swapped out the Kenwood 52X CD ROM for the original equipment and was able to install without a hitch. I am using a rev. 1 B&W G3, oc to 400mhz, Sonnet Tempo ATA/66 firmware v.3.12, 386 megs RAM and 3 HD all formatted with Intech Hard Disk Speed Tools v.3.1.1.

There was no hesitation listing available drives and install was (finally) painless. Contrary to other reports, all of my RAM is available. Maybe I am lucky there was no firmware update for my machine! Thanks for the great site, and I hope that this will help someone who had my same headache. All it took was to use the original Apple CD ROM drive, Oy vey! :-)
Eric S. "

" Mike,
I have a B&W G3 that I have gradually upgraded and I have fitted a Sonnet Tempo card. I updated the firmware and it seems to work just fine both IDE drives that I have attached to it are recognised without problems. These are a Fujitsu 20GB and a Maxtor 20GB. I have attached an Apple System Profiler report.

The only card that does not work in my system after upgrade is my Advansys based IWill 2196UW SCSI card. This isn't a surpise but I am hoping that Orange Micro will get their drivers updated for the Grappler cards. The firmware for these cards appears to work on the IWill SCSI cards. This is not for the faint hearted!
Thank you for creating such a useful Webpage.
Best regards
Nigel "

" Mike,
I have a Turbomax ATA-33 card and just read your article about the card's issues with OS X. A quick jump to the Promax site indicates a cause for hope. This is what I found:

"Official ProMax MacOS X Compatibility Statement:
We are doing our best to anticipate the advanced features of OS X (greater stability, preemptive multitasking, symmetric multi-processing, protected memory, virtual memory management, and UNIX underpinnings). We do intend to make every effort to have device driver support for our hardware as Apple makes the needed information available to us. Please continue to check our site for updates and announcements."

I hope they're referring to past products as well as currently shipping ones.
Thanks, James "

I suspect that only the ATA/66 cards will have support (just a guess since the ATA/33 is no longer made). I believe the Turbomax ATA/66 is made by Acard for Promax and the Acard/Sonnet 3.1.2 firmware update may work with it. (The ATA/33 card won't however - different controller chip but also made by Acard based on the review sample I had.)

" I just purchased a Sonnet Tempo card and installed the 3.12 firmware update. I'm running 3 drives (stock Apple 6G, Maxtor 10G and Quantum 40G) with no problems so far under OS X. I have OS X installed on the 10G drive. I have the 6G drive running on the standard G3 IDE bus, and the 10G and 40G running off the Sonnet card. All drives are set as master.

So far so good! Too bad the Finder speed is so awfully slow on my machine (Blue & White G3 300/512k cache), 512 MB RAM, Radeon PCI card). It's really not very useable. iMovie 2 rocks though. Much better preview playback over 9.1. I don't know if that's an OS X thing, or QuickTime 5, but I love it. I hope Apple can fix the finder sluggishness.
Chris "

Quicktime 5 made iMovie2 exports much faster (almost twice as fast) as shown in my tests from last October (2000) and my recent tests again done as part of the Beige G3 XLR8 Dual G4 upgrade article. I think even G3's get a big boost from QT 5 in iMovie based on some tests I've done on a PB G3.

" OS X install was successful on my beige G3 with Rev B ROM, using Sonnet Tempo with 3.12 firmware. I created 8 partitions with Drive Setup v2.0.3 and copied my previous 9.1 system folder to the first partition. The OS X installer recognized all partitions. Install took about 10 minutes. OS X uses about 1gb of disk space.
Joe S. "

" Mike -
I'm writing this to you from 'Mail' in MacOS X. After many, many hours or failed install attempts, I finally managed to get OS X installed.

I have a Beige G3 with a Powerlogix G4 400mhz ZIF installed. The problem wasn't with the processor, but with the stock 24x cd-rom. The Panasonic drive decided to give up on me yesterday. Whenever I would insert the MacOS X Install CD, it would take four minutes for it to appear on the desktop. Startup Disk had a hard time selecting the CD as the startup drive, and would just hang there.

To get back on track... I used Apple Software Restore to copy the CD image (which is now in my SCSI CD-R drive so it can be read) to a 650mb partition I created on a Maxtor ATA/66 drive connected to my Sonnet Tempo ATA/66 (v3.12). Using System Disk, I selected that partition as the startup drive, and restarted. After a five second wait at the open firmware "white" screen, the machine started to boot. A few minutes later I started to install OS X onto another partition on the same drive. The installer had no problem selecting it as the startup drive after it installed, and I restarted.

Because the L2 cache is not enabled on the G4 ZIF, performance has been a bit slower than expected. Ryan Rempel's 'L2CacheConfig' does not currently work with the release version of OS X.

I'm very pleased with my Sonnet Tempo ATA/66 card, especially since I was able to install *from* it. Very much worth the $99 price tag.
Thanks for a great site!
James D. "

" Hi,
Yesterday I installed OS X on my uncle's beige G3/233 with a Promax Turbomax/33 IDE card. The firmware on the card has not been updated since purchase. The system has a 3 gig external SCSI hard drive, an internal 4 gig drive attached to the motherboard's IDE, and a 13 gig drive attached to the Turbomax card. The installer only showed the two partitions on the 3 gig SCSi drive. The installer log showed that it detected the IDE drive on the motherboard, but for some reason, it was not able to read the partition on it, and that drive is not visible under OS X. The installer log has no trace at all of the IDE card or the drive attached to it. I hope Promax will have a solution to this problem. It really reduces the usefulness of OS X if you can't access the biggest hard drive on your system.

On another note, I'm currently running OS X on my G4 (Gigabit enet/Radeon AGP, 400 mhz, 512mb ram) and it works great. My Epson 740 printer was detected automatically and, using the unix side of the OS, I was able to setup NAT/ip fowarding to allow internet sharing over my LAN, and compile and install MySQL and Apache 1.3.19 with mod_perl and php4. I'm quite happy with the OS and I don't see that I will have any need to boot into OS 9.1 for anything for my use.
-Halim C. "

VST Card owner report:

" I can't see my UltraTek/66 card with 120GB anymore :-(. Darn. No word from VST yet....
Brooke G. "

(And another VST owner report)

" Just wanted to let you know that the VST Ultraktek/66 is at least in my case incompatible with OS X. The drives fail to mount to the desktop in my B&W G3. VST says that they do no know when an update will be available.
Tim "

" Greetings Mike,
You want reviews of OS X with IDE Cards, well here's mine. I'm using a Sonnet Tempo ATA/66 with the 3.12 firmware in a B&W upgraded to a G4/450, 512 RAM, 60 GB IBM 75GX IDE Drive, and a PCI Radeon Video Card. The IDE Card has been working great! OS X is amazing. It's like I'm in some sort of Macintosh dream. Now I can back up all the smack I've been laying down on PC user over the last few years, "Just wait until Rhapsody comes out!"
Lincoln-Shaun "

IDE Card w/Softraid Report:

" I have a TurboMax ATA/66 card and two IBM DeskStar 34 Gig drives. Under OS 9.1 I can see the striped drive fine but in OS X it does not come up at all. I can see the drives in my system profiler and they come up in disk utilities as individual drives, but not as a striped single drive that will mount. I'm wondering if SoftRAID has anything to do with it? Who knows. I'll keep you guys posted.
-Rey "

(One man site here) I suspect it's Softraid. I've not checked if www.softraid.com has any updated info on OS X compatibility but I suspect they are working on it. One report from a hardware IDE RAID card (Sonnet/Acard) said it worked but that card needs no softraid for striping (works with std apple drivers).

" Sonnet Tempo with 3.12 firmware upgrade is working great for me. I have two 30 gig drives connected to the card as "master drives". I can boot straight from the drives.

On a related note, I strongly suspect that MacOS X really does not mix with the onboard IDE controller on my B&W Rev.1 G3. The beta was hopelessly unstable on my computer, and I did install MOSX on a drive connected to the internal controller, and it gave me kernel panics after 30 seconds of using the OS.

I can't say anything definitively, but if someone can't get MOSX to work with a rev1 G3, perhaps they should try to get a third party IDE card...
Nick Matsakis "

I asked if his onboard IDE drive was an original drive or a replacment (usually replacement drives have data corruption issues with the rev 1's IDE chip as noted in past reports here).

" Just installed MacOS X retail. Installation was on a 10GB partition of an IBM Deskstar 75GB drive. Drive is the only drive (master) attached to a Sonnet ATA card with the latest firmware as of 3/24 from Sonnet. Note I HAVE NOT installed Apples firmware update, pending the outcome of the apparent RAM recognition issues. Second partition.

Boots and runs just fine, it seems.

Does not, by the way, recognize SCSI disks on my Adaptec controller (Adaptec 2930CU, retail), which also has a CDRW and Scanner, with a physical termination. Later...
Wally Dixon "

I think adaptec noted no OS X support was planned for 2940/3940 and earlier cards (only the 29160/39160 series as I remember - the FAQ OS X section has the link to the statement on this)

Another problem report from an Adaptec card user:

" Mike;
I'm having an awful time with Mac OS 9.1 and OS X with regards to the Startup Disk control panel.

I have a B+W G3 with XLR8 G4 zif upgrade, 512+ megs of ram, 3 HD's (only one on the main IDE controller, 2 others on a Sonnet Tempo), Mac ATI Radeon card and a Adaptec 2906 SCSI card. I've tried stripping my system down to the bare bones to install; I've removed the SCSI card to install OS X and OS 9.1 to no avail. I also did clean installs and fresh installs off of reformatting, but nothing has worked. Every time I open either of the 2 or 3 new Startup Disk control panels, I freeze instantly. I am using Mac OS 9.0.4 Startup disk which, of couse, doesn't let me play with my fresh copy of OS X. HELP!?

Any advice you or the readers could give would be great. I've also tried pulling the control panel onto the desktop to run it, I've given it more memory, etc. Nothing works.
-David "

I asked if this was a rev 1 B&W G3 (and if so was the onboard IDE connected drive an original one). If any readers have a tip for David let me know.

" Hi,
My ide hard drives are showing up for me when installing OS X using a Sonnett Tempo PCI ata/66 card, 3.12 firmware, on an 8600 with a newtech maxPower G4, usb card, and a voodoo3.

I got OS X to install using Ryan Rempel's install, but I haven't had much luck booting into the installed copy yet. When the machine reboots, both of my monitors (one on built in, other on the voodoo3) both stay in sleep mode. I'll post if I can figure out what my problem is and how I fixed it if I get it to run.
(he later wrote)

The Sonnet Tempo card works perfectly for me under OS X. No problems so far with what I've done in it.

Thanks for the removing the voodoo3 suggestion. I tried that. Ends up that its my newertech G4 card. If I put the original 604e card back into the machine, everything works greats. Putting the G4 back in results in the same problem.
Brad "

I hear Ryan's working on an update to this Cache enabler for OS X (beta) that might help perhaps.

(IDE Hardware RAID card report)

" I have the Hardware IDE RAID card from Sonnett/Acard, and had no discernable problems before/after install of OS X. I didn't install it to the drives on the card, however, but I still need them for 'serious' work. The drives come up as a SCSI device in the system profiler.
Mark "

" Hi Mike:
Just to drop you a few lines to let you know that my Sonnet Tempo works fine under OSX WITHOUT any firmware update. I have two IBM Deskstar GXP 46GB HDs connected to the card and they both are seen by OS X. [Reports say there is Acard support in the OS-Mike]

....beside the Tempo thing I think I should let you know that OSX is stable ONLY when running native apps. When I tried to run classic app or just launch Classic the systems gives me "Kernel Panic" and I have to force restart the machine. This happened everytime when I want to use Classic......I am really mad about this!!!
my system is a G4 450 Sawtooth with 1280MB RAM. running OS 9.1, OS X. "

On the PB G4 (512MB RAM), I've not had any kernel panics so far - but some classic apps (mostly games) don't work (screen issues usually). I ran Photoshop 5.5, Word98/Excel98, Visual page 1.1.1 (old but still works!) ran fine for me however at least so far.

" I installed osX with a sonnet/temp 66 with firmware 3.12 upgrade. And had no problems at all. Installation was smooth and no glitches. I have a blue and white G3 300 with 512 ram. I installed X on a partition of my maxtor 7200 30 GB drive. X is a little slow for me. Haven't been able to get online with the internet configurations yet. IE 5.1 ....well...I keep getting this "cannot connect with server" all the time when I try iTools, iDisk, or IE 5.1. IE 5.0 is slow working in the classic enviroment. Other applications work great in Classic.
Donald N. "

" mike. I have the vst card with 2 drives attach to it and mac osx does not see it. mac osx does not support many 3rd party pci and scsi cards

I also have a yamaha sw10000xg card and it is no were to be seen under osx. the one thing I very surprise and very glad is that it recognize my second ATI card. it is the xclaim vr 128 but I don't really mind because in other to use what I have in this 2 drives I have to boot from
each one of them I have os 9.1 on each of them
but you got to love OSX it is the most beautiful os today.
I got to tell you having two monitors makes a lot of difference the graphics of the screen saver is going to amaze you. this thing runs different images in each monitor at the same time ( try the forest ) I can't wait to download itunes I hope it supports visual in dual monitors
any way this is only the beginning and I see a very bright future for this OS and all of us mac heads.
G3BW 400mhz rev 2
5 drives internal ( # 5 is under dvd rom it is use for video scratch ) one drive external in a ads fire wire case for mp3 (yes osx sees this one )
dual monitor set up
one apple studio display 17
one sony multiscan E200 ( attached to the xclaim vr 128 ) "

" I just installed OS X retail and the two hard drives on my Turbomax ATA/33 PCi card don't show up. I have a B&W G3 350 DVD Rev 1 ,
190 MB RAM
6 GB stock master HD
20 GB and 40 GB HD on the Turbomax ata/33 card
any one have any luck with these cards?
Craig Mathieson "

No TM ATA/33 success reports so far.

" Works like a charm!

B+W G3/300
Sonnet TempoATA66 with a Seagate 30.6GB IDE attached
Stock drive is the Quantum 6GB

OS X installed + runs no problem on the Seagate. I installed OS X before AND after upgrading to the latest firmware update for the Tempo. Flawless both times. I've also installed both OS X and 9.1 on the stock drive and the Seagate is still recognized from within X.

I haven't noticed any difference with the 3.12 firmware update installed.

The next step will be to wipe all drives clean, format and partition off an area on the Seagate for X alone with 9.1 in its own partition as well. Currently they are both installed on the same unpartitioned drive.
Keep up the great work! Excellent resource.
_clinton "

" I've installed OSX to my G4 500MP and it automatically recognized my Acard running at stripe mode. It works fine.
Bryan C. "

I asked if this was the Hardware RAID IDE card which I assume it is. I also asked if he knew the version of the card's firmware.

" Sonnett Tempo PCI ata/66 in dual 533 g4 with latest firmware works fine under Mac OS X. Can see my 45GB IBM ATA/66 7200 rpm drive, and transfer to and from with no problems.
Patrick "

" ... have been using Tempo with Mac OS X since the developers have had the release canidiate. No problems in any of the machines I work with (7300-9600, Beige G3, all variations of Power Mac G4).

I have been doing almost exactly what Ryan Rempel (http://homepage.mac.com/RyanRempel/) has been doing to run Mac OS X 10.0 on the 7300-9600 and Tempo works great in that environment. Much faster than the old SCSI interface in those machines. Also if you happen to have a removable media device connected to Tempo, you need the patch that Ryan has "There is a problem using SCSI CD drives. I have included a kernel extension to work around this as well (PatchedSCSICDDriver.kext)." since Tempo makes drives look like SCSI devices.
Your site is my favorite and first checked site on the web!
J. "

" Mike -
I'm having some severe problems with my OS X install, one of which is with my TurboMax ATA/33 card. I have two drives attached to this card (a Quantum 4 GB and a Maxtor 60 GB, both masters), and neither mount under OS X nor even show up under Apple System Profiler or Disk Utility. I haven't tried installing OS X on either of these drives, though, so I'm not sure if that would make a difference or not.

My setup is as follows:

B&W G3/350 DVD Rev. 1 (with Firmware 1.1)
640 MB RAM
6 GB (stock) master, 30 GB Maxtor slave (both formatted with HDST 3.1.1)
4 GB Quantum, 60 GB Maxtor (both on TurboMax, also formatted with HDST 3.1.1)

I installed a minimum OS 9.1 for Classic and a full OS X onto the 30 GB slave. (I know the caveats of slave drives in the Rev. 1, but Intech said they haven't noticed any problems running OS X on drives formatted with HDST 3.1.1. I also didn't see a warning about only installing OS X on a master drive as there was with the Public Beta.). The good news is that dual monitors work (the included Rage 128 and an older Rage II+, in my case). A nice surprise was the built-in support for the second button and the scroll wheel on my Logitech TrackMan Marble. That's about it. ;-)

Sound doesn't work; I get nothing beyond the startup chime. My Adaptec 2906 is listed as "not available" in ASP, but I have to have all of my SCSI devices on in order to boot correctly (undoubtedly a termination issue...if they're turned off, the system hangs at the Checking Drives step during boot). I have yet to successfully mount a disk image with Disk Copy, too...it always hangs during the Mounting step on every .img and .dmg file I've tried.

I may try setting the 30 GB drive to master and moving it onto the TurboMax card to see if I have better luck (after a full reinstall, of course). Despite the Intech drivers, I'm still tempted to chalk this up to data corruption more than anything else. My roommate installed OS X on a 40 GB Maxtor slave in his G4/400 AGP and has had none of the problems I have. I'll follow up once I have time to rearrange everything inside my case.
David L. "

The latest Turbomax ATA/33 card firmware is v1.8 (only available from promax.com I hear). An IDE card should not have data corruption but the rev 1 B&W G3 IDE chip with any replacement drives is another story. (The FWB and Intech drivers are adjustable that may help with the rev 1 chip issues when set to lower speed modes)

If you're running a Sonnet Tempo, Acard ATA/66, Sonnet/Acard Hardware IDE RAID card, Turbomax ATA/33 or ATA/66 card or VST IDE card and have installed OS X retail - please let me know if the IDE card/drives are recognized under OS X and if you see any problems. Sonnet's 3.12 firmware update promised "tenative" OS X support but I'd like reports from any IDE card owners. Please note your IDE card brand and firmware version as well as your Mac model details. Thanks!

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