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OS X 1.0 Reports from PB G3 Wallstreet Owners
Published: 3/29/2001
Last Updated: 7/9/2001
Note: Although I'm still leery of sleep mode in OS X with a PowerBook, OS X 10.0.4 (available from OS X software updates) is said to have improved battery life with PowerBook G3s. However one reader below noted he still had wake from sleep issues with a wallstreet II w/CPU upgrade running OS X 10.0.4. After some early reports of really messed up Powerbooks that were left in sleep mode with OS X (totally draining the battery much quicker than normal for sleep mode), I restart my system in OS 9.1 before sleeping or shutting down. (I also do not like the abrupt "clunk" that is heard if shutting down from OS X, so I restart in OS 9.1 even before shutting down.)

In reply to an earlier post from a Wallstreet owner with problems installing OS X, several readers with Wallstreet models wrote the install went fine. (One noted the SCSI port was not recognized however.)

Note: If any Bluechip G3/500 owners are having problems, let me know what the marking is on the cache chips on the upgrade. (i.e. - is it K7A403600M-QC20). If using low-profile 256MB SODIMMs, let me know if these 'stacked' wallstreet/lombard compatible modules are a problem for OS X. (Note - some readers later noted these stacked modules were OK in OS X, one reader wasn't sure if the dimm was stacked or used 256megabit chips (not compatible with PBs before the PB Firewire).)

Although there are earlier posts from CPU upgraded Wallstreets (see below for both Powerlogix and Newer Tech upgraded reports), this owner reported problems. For those that do have Bluechip related (apparently) problems, I wonder if this could be related to a problem I had with a review sample at the stock cache speeds (noted in the review here). (Reducing the cache speed to 200MHz from 250Mhz solved these problems). Since there's no cache util for OS X to do this (as of late March at least), there's no way to prove that theory right now that I know of.

Wallstreet Owner Comments on OS X: (latest reports first)

OS X Wavelan (wireless) PC Card drivers: (from the 7/9/2001 www.xlr8yourmac.com news page)

" Mike,
I thought this information would interest readers of your site with PowerBook G3's and Lucent WaveLan Orinoco Cards running Mac OS X . I found a driver at http://homepage.mac.com/yuriwho/. I installed the driver and it works just fine under OS X. I have a 1998 PowerBook G3 upgraded with a Powerlogix BlueChip (my review is on your site) and a Lucent WaveLan Orinoco Silver Card. I originally found a link to the driver at http://www.macosxapps.com/.

One reason I like running OS X instead of 9.1 is the little time it takes my PowerBook to wake up from sleep. It is so much faster under OS X. Kudos to the Apple engineers!
Paul Bode "


Wake From Sleep Issue: Although the OS X 10.0.4 was said to improve battery life, this wallstreet II owner with a CPU upgrade noted he's seen problems waking from sleep:

I own a PowerBook G3 WallStreet II that has been upgraded with a Newer 466MHz G3 processor. Works great in OS9.1 but when running MacOS X (10.0.4) everything works fine until itıs been asleep for awhile (this is probably the cause of the power drain people talk about).

When my PowerBook G3 goes to sleep under MacOS X it goes to sleep fine but after awhile the screen wakes-up and starts cycling a weird no-signal type pattern on the screen. The backlight remains off but the screen and cpu are running. This is the cause of my PBG3-X sleep problems. You may not notice the screen patterns unless you look closely since the backlight is off, but the PowerBook will be warm since the cpu is on.

This is something Apple has to fix if Iım ever going to seriously use MacOS X on my PowerBook.
Aloha,
Baron "


Earlier OS X Install Comments from PB G3 Wallstreet Owners: (Some have CPU upgrades from Powerlogix or Newer Tech.)

" I have a 1998 Powerbook G3 rev. 1 233mhz/2.1 gigs HD/32megs , and have since upgraded that to a powerlogix 500mhz daughtercard with a 20 gig HD and 512 megs of RAM. Installed OS X without a hitch. Just letting you know that everything is running fine, with no problems or program freezes. I backed up system files when I received my new HD, and powerlogix upgrade with my CDRW, and reformatted my HD and set up 4 partitions, 2.1 for OS 9.1, 4.5 gigs for OS X, 4 gigs for my graphics/audio applications, and 8 gigs for data storage.
-d "


" Mike,
I have a WallStreet II upgraded last week to a Powerlogix Bluechip 466. It has 384 mb of RAM (128mb lower/256mb upper) and an upgraded 10gb Hitachi hard drive. I have been testing it in preparation of preparing a report in the CPU upgrade database.

A day after installing the Bluechip, I installed MacOS X in the first 2gb partition I made for MacOS X beta. I placed the Wallstreet on sleep mode for the night. The next morning, I noticed my Powerbook was unusually warm for one that had been on sleep mode all night long (I always place my PB on sleep rather than shut it down). There were some faint things on the screen too. When I pressed the space bar to wake it up, the computer rebooted (startup chime) and the screen was filled with the pattern you see in the jpg file I've attached. In addition, I noticed the battery had been drained a bit more than a normal overnight sleep mode (usually when I plug it in, the 4 green LEDs would light up; now, only 2 plus 1 faint one were lit).

In the past week, I've had three occurrences of this "Wake from sleep" bug. On two occasions, I had to reboot, but on one, the system was able to recover. In all instances, you could see a faint pattern on the screen. Inexplicably, that pattern would not be there when I first placed the PB to sleep.

I have not tried MacOS X with the 233mhz daughtercard just because of the hassles of taking it apart but one of these days, I may.

Incidentally, under MacOS 9.1, the Bluechip 466 has done quite well. I haven't had any crashes that are attributable to it. I haven't had to use the cache utility to throttle down the cache. I did have to place the original 2.1gb hard drive back in to get the ROM to transfer properly. Even Virtual PC 4.0 hasn't crashed yet.
Cheers,
Michael "


" Hi again Mike,
Well Wallstreet Powerlogix users owe it to XLR8 for solving their kernel crash problem with OS X.

First here is my machine:
Powerbook 233, no cache upgraded with a Powerlogix 466/233 daughter card
RAM: 128 SODIMM LD + 64 MB (upper slot)
HD: 20 GB hitachi, 2MB cache
OSX installed on the first 8 MB of the HD, total 3 partitions (4, 4,12)

After seeing the XLR8 releases OS X Cache Enabler (http://www.xlr8.com/osx/index.html) press release news on your page Friday, I decided to give it a shot. Another thing that tipped me off was this comment on the new Powerlogix G3/G4 cache profiler 1.4b1 page:

Powerlogix>support>beta software
it says: "

    Version 1.4b1 is intended to fix the compatibility issue is OS 9.1 for PowerForce G3, G4 and ZForce owners. iForce and BlueChip users do not need this utility and should use the software included with their product.

and a bit below:

    Note: Users booting into LinuxPPC using theBootX application may also benefit from using this beta as it corrects an error where the L2 cache information may not be correctly passed to the Linux kernel.

I thought this relates to the "write-through " cache issue and the same thing may be at stake with OS X on my Wallstreet Powerlogix 466.

Indeed!

When you install the Xlr8 cache enabler for OS X, it says that most G3 upgrade comes with "write-through" on. According to XLR8, their OS X enabler turns this off to allow the cache to be recognized by the CPU. (works as long as the cache can sustain a 2:1 ratio)

I installed this on OS X and did some tests to see how stable things would become.

For the tests, I started 2 CPU intensive processes running in parallel: I played a Quicktime movie as a loop continuously and also started a chess game featuring the computer Vs the computer. These 2 tasks running together really stresses the CPU and the cache so it should be suitable to produce the kernel panic I experienced.

The 2 processes have been running for 3 hours now without a single crash! It was quite rewarding after I came back from work to see "The White wins" (message displayed by the chess game) and still hear the QT movie playing. :-)

So kudos to XLR8 for quickly releasing this patch! It will save Powerlogix a lot of man-power :-)

The only major problem I think now is that without this patch I was getting kernel panics during the installation. I repeated several times the installation and it finally worked but it is a real bummer. (took me 7-10 retries). Last time it worked I unchecked the "additional printer installation" when installing OSX.
Frank Bernier
p.s.: I will check the cache serial number later tonight as you suggested. "

Disabling "Copy back" or "write back" cache mode has been a troubleshooting tip in the past for some upgrades that have those options in the control panel (xlr8, newer tech, PL software has this option).


" I have a 1" PC100 256MB SODIMM from Trans Int'l in the lower slot of my lombard 333... and yes, only 128MB is seen... So I presume this module must be "stacked"... I have never had a single kernal panic with many builds of os x installs since the public beta...
--D "

I asked him was the dimm fully recognized under OS 9.x? (as 256MB).
If not, then it must use 256megabit chips, which can't be fully addressed by the pre-Pismo model memory controller (the same controller is used on Beige G3, B&W G3, yikes, iMac 233-333 models also)


" Hi Mike,
Here are some more test results of OS X on Wallstreet PowerBook:
- External SCSI Jaz and hard disk: supported and bootable

- VST Zip and Superdisk: supported, hot swap works in both bays
- External monitor: all resolutions and simulscan supported
- External SCSI CD-RW drive: ignored (not even recognized as CDROM). Toast runs in Classic, but doesn't see the drive
- Internal DVD: mounts CDs and DVDs, DVD player doesn't see DVD PC card
- External ADB keyboard and mouse: supported, recognizes multi-button mouse (2nd button works like control-click, additional button(s) ignored
- Sleep mode works fine, wake-up: desktop starts up instantly, system usable as soon as disk spins up in a couple of seconds.

Altogether this looks pretty good. I haven't had a chance to test iMovie with my FireWire2Go card yet. Hope Apple adds DVD and CD burner support soon.
Regards,
Peter "


" Mike,
Just to follow up, I have finally had success with my Wallstreet, OS X, and the Bluechip upgrade. As Apple suggested, I removed each of the two 128 MB modules separately and tested. I still got the OpenFirmware screen. At this point, I decided to bite the bullet an complete reformat my hard drive. When I did this, I created the first partition as 2 GB and installed OS X there. Previously, OS X was in the second partition (first was 4 GB, second was 2 GB). With this configuration I was able to boot into OS X with the original processor. I then installed the Bluechip, and everything seems to work. I don't know if it was the reformat, or using the first partition that did the trick.
Rich Brown "


" Hi,
I just installed PowerLogix Blue Chip 466 on my system. The system is very unstable in MacOS X. Just like some of your reader's experence. The system freezes or having kernel panic frequently.

Also, the L2 cache on the processor card is K7A403600M-QC20.
Regards
Kenneth Chan "


" Originally a 266mhz Wallstreet. Since upgraded to 500 mhz Powerlogix, 512mb ram, 25gb hard drive. I've installed OS X on an Excaret Expansion bay drive that I have to have in the right bay to boot. My Mac OS 9.1 is installed on a separate partition on the internal hard drive.

Everything installed fine and I haven't experienced any kernel panics to date though I haven't been a real heavy user because of the lack of PC Card airport support.
Mike P. "


" Mike,
Thanks for the great site. I've been having problems with kernel panics and freezes on my Wallstreet with OS X, upgraded to a PowerLogix 466 MHz BlueChip card. I'm pretty sure it's the BlueChip that is at fault - I've been in contact with PowerLogix tech support (John) but they haven't been able to provide a solution yet. The card does work fine in OS 9.x.

Here are the details (it's long - I go into X installation, problems with the BlueChip in both X and LinuxPPC, contacting PowerLogix for tech support, plus a few final tips and caveats for Wallstreet owners):

Original machine is a PowerBook G3 Wallstreet II, 233 MHz w/ 512k cache and 14.1" screen. Hard drive upgraded to a 12 GB IBM Travelstar, and I have two 128 MB DIMMs (both low profile PC100). I had previously run OS X Beta on this machine back in September and October, no problems. (This was before getting the BlueChip).

I installed the BlueChip back in November - I was one of the first people to order one, I think. Stability with this configuration has been okay, first with 9.0x and then going to 9.1 in January. I have to reboot about twice a week or so with this setup. I also run LinuxPPC, which can go weeks without rebooting with this setup.

This past Saturday, I got my OS X from Apple via FedEx and immediately installed it. I re-initialized a 3 GB partition on my drive, and installed a clean copy of 9.1 on it from the install CD. Then I installed OS X on top of it. As Apple's read-me noted, on this edition of PowerBook G3 the OS X partition must be entirely within the first 8 GB of the drive, which mine was (as an aside, I think this must be an Open Firmware limitation).

I had to install twice - the first time it had errors reading from the disc (not sure if this was due to the BlueChip or not or just a dirty cd / cd lens). Second time was okay. After booting into X, everything seemed fine for a while. Then I got a kernel panic after about 30-45 minutes of use. I rebooted, and tried using X again. I kept on getting kernel panics, about 3 or 4. I rebooted into OS 9.1 and everything seemed fine. I shut down and switched back to the original 233 MHz processor card and tried out X, and I ran about 8-9 hours on Sunday without any problems - it was slow, but it worked fine. No kernel panics or freezes at all.

I switched back to the BlueChip, and got kernel panics and freezes again. So far I haven't been able to get X to run for more than an hour without a panic/freeze with the BlueChip.

I sent e-mail on Sunday night to PowerLogix, and called them on Monday. They were friendly, but they hadn't seen this kind of problem - they told me their test systems with BlueChips and X were running fine for several days. They collected my system info though, and I was told that their software guys were going to look into it. I also took some pictures with my digital camera of the kernel panic messages, which I can e-mail to you as jpegs if you like. The kernel panics and freezes appear to be completely random, not linked to any particular application. I sent these jpegs to PowerLogix and I'm still waiting to hear back. Sometimes if I have iTunes running during a freeze, everything will lock up but the speakers continuosly make a quick, stuttering noise until I do a control-command-power to reboot.

So far I've seen another report on a message board from a 500 MHz BlueChip user that seems to be experiencing a lot of kernel panics/freezes as well - http://maccentral.macworld.com/storyforum/forums/_news_0103_28.powerlogix/? read=7

I'm glad to hear that most others seem to report that their machines are running fine with the BlueChip upgrade and OS X, but at the same time it's frustrating for me because I'm fairly certain it's the BlueChip that's causing me problems.

One other note about the BlueChip - it does exhibit one other quirk that my original 233 MHz card didn't - while compiling programs in LinuxPPC using gcc, I would often get internal compiler errors. For example, while building Mozilla I typically get about 5 or 6 errors with the BlueChip. The errors occur at random places (not in the same region of code), so it doesn't appear to be a software issue. I can eventually get everything to compile after starting the compiler up again and again, but it's a bit of a pain. These compiler errors *never* occur with the 233 MHz card - I swapped the cards a couple of times to verify that it was indeed the BlueChip that was indeed at fault.

In Mac OS 9.x the BlueChip appears to work flawlessly. I get freezes too, but these only occur once or twice a week and it's hard for me to find the culprit for these.

I do have a tip for Wallstreet owners for better performance in OS X - change the screen depth to 16 bit instead of 32, and Aqua is *significantly* snappier. Also, there doesn't appear to be any way to eject pcmcia cards - the eject keys don't work, and there doesn't seem to be any way to do it via software. Using the paper clip did physically eject the card, but resulted in an immediate kernel panic. Also, compact flash pcmcia adapters aren't recognized in OS X, so I can't transfer digital images from my camera.

Sorry about the long e-mail, but maybe my experiences will help some other struggling Wallstreet owners with troubleshooting.
Wesley "

I've asked Wesley (and any Bluechip owner) to let me know if his L2 cache chips on the Bluechip were marked "K7A403600M-QC20".


Another report of onboard SCSI port device issues:

" I installed Mac OS X on an Wallstreet 1998 233 mhz PowerBook. I had installed it on external bay disk with two partitions one for 9.1 and the second for MacOS X, this to let the internal disk untouched. Mac OS X will only boot from the right bay, it will not boot from the left bay, but Mac OS 9.1 will. This is a problem because when it is in the right bay I can't use the CD-R.

Further I can't use my external CD-RW Yamha 6414, it will not mount a CD-R from there. If I insert a CD during booting MacOS X it will panic.
Joav A. "

The left bay may not work since later PB's G3s (Lombard and Pismo) did not allow drives (only batteries) in the left bay.


This reader comments on sleep/battery power:

" Hello
I was running OS X on an expansion bay HD with mixed results. The system is an original 250 MHz Wallstreet. When the HD is in the right bay, there is no problem with booting the system, but when the HD is in the left bay, the system boot to the broke folder icon. The only other problem I have had is a kernel panic when inserting a CD ROM in an external CD ROM drive, even though the IO Registry recognized the drive.
Edward
P.S. To every one with powerbooks, it had been proposed that the way OS X is able to awake from sleep so quickly is due to power being continually supplied to the HDs. This is the case. On my expansion bay HD in OS 9.1 the power light goes out when sleeping, but in OS X the light and therefore the power to the drive remains on, thereby not allowing you to exchange the battery and draining the battery at an accelerated rate. "

I noted the issue of not allowing battery swaps during sleep (Apple TIL) last week which also made me think there's more drain/power used during sleep under OS X. I've avoided sleep under OS X on my PB G4 due to this.


" HI there, just dropping in to share a positive Wallstreet OS X install. I have a PB 250 13.3" screen. I installed OS X without a hitch. I only have 96 MB of RAM though so things were slower than on my desktop G4. But even with the limited RAM I can launch classic, it pretty seemed kinda slow, but did function. I'm waiting for my new RAM to arrive to really try it out.

As a side note, I ordered more RAM and a new HD to install on this machine to use with OS X from Trans International. To make a long story short I had no trouble installing OS a second time on a new 20GB ibm drive. But I did have problems with the 256MB dimm they sent me, I got kernel panics and endless finder restarts. Seems OS X is more finniky with RAM. nice site,
James Tsuyuki "

My two 256MB SODIMMs from them worked fine in the PB G4 in OS X and were recognized after the firmware update. Those with PB G3 Wallstreet or Lomboard models using low-profile 256MB SODIMMs that are having problems may be due to "stacked" chip dimms. For compatiblity with these models, a 256MB low-profile SODIMM with only 8 chips (visible) have to use "stacked" 128megabit chips, since the wallstreet/lombard memory controller can't fully address chips more dense than 128megabit. PB Firewire and later models can use 256megabit chips so stacking is not required. (Taller 256MB SODIMMs don't use stacked chips, but 512MB models probably do also.)
If you have a Wallstreet or Lombard PB with low-profile 256MB SODIMMs and have had no OS X install problems, let me know. If you are having problems with the install or running OS X with them, try removing them to see if this helps.


" Hi,
Would just like to report that I installed OS X on a 250mhz Powerbook G3 Wallstreet with 13.3" monitor. The machine has 256MB of RAM on it. Both the release and the Beta have worked fine. I have since bought a Powerlogix 466Mhz Upgrade card and everything is running just fine since Tuesday. Apple has a history of supporting only what they ship(which is just idiotic of them) The whole problem with OS X having to be installed in the first 8GB is because 8GB is the largest drive Apple ever shipped with this model. They didn't ship it so they don't have to worry about it.
[Apple has a TIL on this issue noted at the main site last week - see http://til.info.apple.com/techinfo.nsf/artnum/N106235 which lists affected mac models including some desktops.-Mike]

Little notes of use...
The traditional finder is dead...using list view is incredibly slow, but if you use Stevie Job's Multipanel view it works nice and fast. I don't want to use this view, but it looks like it will do until we get real support for the list view in finder.

Classic performance has been great.

I have a macally cardbus card with a UMAX 2000U hooked up to it that doesn't work.(wasn't expecting it to) and a EPSON 740 hooked through USB too, that I didn't even have to select. I booted up and it it was already selected in the print center. That was a nice touch.

To be honest, I didn't see groundbreaking performance between the 466 mhz card and the 250mhz card.
Dain Neater "


" I upgraded my Wallstreet PB G3/300 (8 GB/192 MB RAM) this past January with the PowerLogix Blue Chip G3/500; I also replaced the 8 GB HD with an IBM 20 GB and bumped up the memory to 256. I had been running OS X beta on the stock configuration without any problems, albeit somewhat slowly. I had been using three partitions (full OS 9.x on the third, OS X beta on the first, and a slimmed-downed Classic 9.0.4 on the second) and essentially duplicated this on the 20 GB and installed OS public beta. When OS X Final arrived, I merely upgraded Classic 9.0.4 to 9.1, erased the beta partition, and installed OS X Final. I had over 5 kernel crashes within 12 hours, it was too unstable to use.

I finally cured this by initializing the entire hard drive and partition into two sections (one 8 GB and the rest of the disk on the second); I installed 9.1 as Classic on the first partition, updated it via the software update control panel, then installed OS X over it. OS 9.1 was installed on the second partition. At this point, I have had only one kernel crash since the reconfiguration on Sunday, and the Wallstreet appears to be operating normally.

I guess the moral of this story is that if you have OS X beta, initialize your hard drive and remove all traces of it from an "Classic" OS 9.x that you run in conjunction with it.
Paul "


" Mike:
I've successfully installed both Mac OS X PB and Final on my Wallstreet G3/250/13.3 Powerbook.

First, I've upgraded the 'book with the Bluechip G3/466, 256mb RAM and an IBM Travelstar 20 gig HD.

Then I created two partitions:
-Partition A: 4 gig "OS X" volume (installed on top of a clean OS 9.1 for Classic)

-Partition B: 14 gig OS 9.1 volume for my "real work" (music/audio/midi apps)

Thus far everything has been just fine with the exception of some flakiness of the Startup Disk on OS X. It doesn't always seem want to cooperate when I try to start back up on my "Real 9.1" volume after having messed around in OS X. Upon restart, it sometimes refuses to make the switch and boots up in OS X again!

On a performance note, I'm loving the stability of OS X! However, I'm still somewhat disappointed with the sluggish feel of the Finder and apparent lack of graphics acceleration throughout Aqua. I'm hoping that Apple optimizes the graphics side of OS X so that it will run better on sub-Rage128 chipsets.
cheers,
bill "


" Installed OS X on my Wallstreet 233 (no cache) no problems. The installation went by with no problems and was reasonably fast. Use is good, not as fast as OS 9.1 but pretty snappy as long as Classic isn't running.
I've had no major crashes yet. Only minor bugs which have been fixed by quitting/reopening apps or logging out and logging back in at most. I've also noticed my Macally cardbus to USB adapter works fine.

My setup is
Wallstreet 233 (no cache)
13.3" screen
192MB RAM - 128MB lower, 64MB upper
12GB Travelstar
Cardbus to USB adapter
Richard "


" I have a 250 MHz Wallstreet which I've upgraded to 466 MHz using PowerLogix. I initially had some problems with OS X 1.0 crashing and/or locking up on me but after reinstalling everything it's been solid as a rock.

However, the road to this wasn't completely smooth.

When I decided on a clean install I foolishly formatted my first partition (with OS X and a minimal 9.1 on it). After rebooting, I got the Open Firmware prompt and couldn't do anything with it. However, a few minutes thought told me that it was because of the CPU upgrade missing the ROM files that were on that partition and not being able to boot.

I replaced my original CPU (after slotting in my RAM) and attempted to reboot. Got a black screen and the 'plate crashing' sound. After re-seating my RAM strips, I was able to reboot successfully. Once I reloaded OS 9.1 (fortunately I had backed up everything on that partition before installing OS X) I reinstalled OS X. Once everything was working hunky-dory, I reinstalled the CPU upgrade and verified that everything still worked.

From this point on, OS X has been solid as a rock. (With one exception: IE locked up the UI once. However, OmniWeb is now my default browser.) I've found that I can do all of my work (and play as well) without booting into 9.

I really, really love this OS.

Specs:
Wallstreet 250 (upgraded to 466 MHz), 13 " screen
320 MB RAM (64 MB + 256 MB)
18 GB HD, (3x6 GB partitions)
Tom Sinclair "


" Hi, Mike. I've done several installs of X (PB, developer near-final and now final) on my 266MHz Wallstreet with no problems: 192MB RAM, 18G IBM HD, no processor upgrade. I have seen a different problem though.

I have MacOS 9.1 on a separate partition, X has its own private copy. Twice over the last few weeks I selected the 9.1 partition via Startup Disk in X and when I restarted it briefly started to boot the 9.1 volume then rebooted (with Restart chimes) into X again. Resetting the power manager didn't help. What did was booting from a 9.1 install CD and using its Startup Disk control panel to select the 9.1 partition.

The exact same thing happened today to a friend with a 300MHz Wallstreet but in his case it happened after he accidentally booted from the 9.1 system folder on his X volume then using its Startup Disk control panel to select a different boot volume.

Its not consistent and so far I'm not sure what the exact trigger might be.
Dave
(he later wrote)
I just checked and I do have the 9.2.1 version of Startup Disk on the 9.1 partition. In my case the problem seemed to happen after selecting a new boot partition UNDER X rather than 9.1. In the other guy's he had just installed 9.1 in the X partition using the CD that came with X so he would have whatever came on that disk, presumably not the new version.

Its possible this is a problem on my machine because I suspect the power manager board is flaky (Its developed a case of the "wobbly hinges" too.) I'll dig into it more if it happens again. "

I had asked if he had installed the 9.2.1 Startup Disk control panel update. (noted a few days before the OS X retail release)


" I have a PB G3 250 (Wallstreet) purchased in June 1998. I successfully installed OS X and had no problems with installation. PPP also seemed to work well. I had installed 128 Meg Ram earlier (total 192) and a new 10 Gig HD. Had to install OS 9.1 on the HD first. I created 2 partitions and installed 9.1 on one and OS X on the other. No problems so far.
Tom King "


" I had no problem installing OS X on my Wallstreet's internal drive, but neither the installer nor OS X recognizes any external SCSI drives. OS X is on the first partition of my 25 GB IBM Travelstar drive. The PowerBook is a 2nd generation Wallstreet, originally 266 MHz, upgraded to 466 MHz by NewerTech. [That upgrade was reviewed here last year-Mike] The SCSI disks work fine with OS 9.1 and below.
I had the same problem with the Public Beta, but the release notes state that it didn't support external SCSI drives on the Pismo, so I figured the same applied for my upgraded Wallstreet.
Peter "


" I've successfully installed and am running Mac OS X on a 233Mhz Wallstreet upgraded to 500Mhz with a Powerlogix BlueChip. [Reviewed here in January-Mike] I have 512 megs of RAM. All is fine no kernel panics or crashes of the OS.
Troy "


"Works Great with no problems.
In short, I have installed it on two Wall street PB's. Everything seems to function perfectly They have all been upgraded.
Here's the config below.

PB Wallstreet (233 no cache orig.) Blue Chip 466
2x 64 MB SDRAM
12 GB HD partitioned 4GB Boot 8gb second
14.1" (LCD)
9.1 of course and OS X

PB PDQ 233 (512 k cache)
1x32 1x64 SDRAM
6 GB HD
14.1" (LCD)
9.1 and X
No probs!
Jim"


" I want to report that I have had no problems with my OS X install.
I have a Wallstreet I, 250 mhz. The only upgrades I had is an extra 128 mb module I've had since day one. I did partition my 4gb drive into four 1 gb partitions and installed OS X to a seperate partition.

OS X 10.0 has run smoothly including Classic, which even ran under the Public Beta on my machine.

My problem now is that I have ejected my OS 9 partitions off of the desktop and I can't figure out how to re-mount them.
Jo Jo "


" Hi Mike,
Installed OS X on a 233 Wallstreet (1998 Vintage) and had also used Beta on it before.This is a 14" screen

Only problem was the CD drive was faulty for OS X disc (and also OS 9). I replaced it with left over from DVD drive installed in another machine and the world was happy.I did see "Open firmware" while trying this drive. There was an error of 00300 which was the CD failure.

All is fine currently with all in a 2g drive and one partition. May not be able to add lots of programs, but this is my "Well, how does X work in an older machine."
Hope this helps,
Fitz "

Problem Report:

" I have a Wallstreet Powerbook (250 Mhz, 13" screen) with a 466 Mhz Powerlogix Bluechip upgrade. I attempted to install OS X on a separate partition (within the first 8 GB), but after a seemingly successful installation, I ended up with an OpenFIrmware screen when trying to boot OS X. I spoke with Apple Tech Support, and they said that OS X does not support processor upgrades. The OpenFirmware error message was "Default Catch", which apparently tipped off the Apple tech to the fact that I had a CPU upgrade.

I've since spoken to John Landis at Powerlogix, and he suggested I restore the original CPU and see what happens. I hope to try this tonight and will report back with the results.
Rich Brown

(he later wrote)

I put back the original CPU, reinstalled OS X, and ended up with the exact same result--an OpenFirmware screen. Apple Support has escalated the problem, and I'm awaiting a call from a support tech. The guy I spoke to mentioned possible memory problems (I have 256 MB) and asked if I could reinstall the original memory that came with the machine and test again. This is impossible for me to do, since A) I don't have the original memory and B) the 32 MB it came with is not quite enough to run OS X!
If you're interested, I'll keep you posted.
Rich
(system summary)
Wallstreet 250 Mhz, 13" screen, 256 MB (2-128 MB modules)
MacOS 9.1
Hard drive upgraded to Toshiba 18 GB "


If you're running OS X retail on a PB G3 wallstreet or have any tips or comments, let me know Please note your system details. Thanks!

 
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