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Accelerate Your Mac! News Archive for: 08/18/00 Friday's NewsReturn to Accelerate Your Mac!
 
Top stories of the day:

G4/500 AGP CPU Upgrades - $599 Exchange:
Macselect has Apple G4/AGP 500MHz CPU modules for $699, noting there's a $100 rebate after return of your existing CPU module. (Macselect said it doesn't matter what the speed of the original G4/AGP module is). Scoll down to the last item on their Apple CPU listing on this page or call 888-699-0040 to order.

The G4/AGP module heatsink is retained by two clips, then 3 screws on the module as shown on my Nov. 1999 article.

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Unreal Tournament v425a Released:
A new update for Unreal Tournament Mac, version 425a has been released at http://www.westlakeinteractive.com/download0020.html. According to Westlake, this update only installs over a installation of 425 (previous versions need to update to 425 first), and contains two small Mac-only fixes. Problems with demo recording and using skeletal animations in some mods are fixed."
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Norton Disklight Conflicts with Voodoo5 Drivers:
I welcome Voodoo5 owner reports on any extensions or control panels that conflict with the Voodooo5 drivers. So far there have been two reports of Symantec's Disklight being a definite problem. (I'd also never recommend using their 'CrashGuard' either, just on general past experience.) I've updated the compatibility info on my Voodoo5 review summary page with this info.

If you have other conflicts to report, please contact me with specifics.

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More Comments on ATI Radeon BTO:
I received several mails in reply to my comments on the ATI Radeon BTO news post in Wednesday's news. It's said the fan on the retail Radeon is 'cosmetic' and that the chip actually runs cooler than the Rage128 Pro based on PC review tests. (Not sure why a fan would be used if it's not needed, as it adds to the cost.) Since the current Rage128 Pros for the Mac have no fan, it's possible the Mac Radeon OEM version could be as well. Based on all the info I have heard, if the Radeon doesn't appear as a Cube BTO option, it won't be due to any fault of the card. I'm betting the OEM Radeon will be a 32MB DDR version. I suspect it will be a Cube option in the future, and a very popular one at that. As I said on Wednesday, I know many buyers are waiting for the Radeon card to be available before buying a new G4 or Cube. Let's hope it appears soon. Perhaps after Seybold?
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Overclocked B&W G3 Owner Report on Linux Compiler Errors:
One of today's CPU review database entries was from a B&W G3/350 owner that had been running 400Mhz speeds for 16 months with no apparent problems until he tried compiling in Linux. Reverting back to 350Mhz speeds solved the problem.
" Introduction
==========
I am re-entering this information on the Database, after 16 months of testing my BW G3 clocked from 350 Mhz to 400 Mhz. (I have decided to downgrade to the original clock setting of 350Mhz, read on, specially if you run LinuxPPC or similar) Oh boy, this is long, but well worth it...

Back in April 1999 when I purchased by BW 350, I immediatley clocked it up to 400 Mhz. The Mac has behaved like a champ ever since, with only random crashes that I cannot attribute to the clocking itself, but rather the MacOS or some other software issue (the typical sporadic crashes, nothing special, really...) I constantly run very CPU intensive tasks on this mac (Seti, Quake3, UT, etc) and it performs as expected.

We want LinuxPPC
===============
Well, since my wife is the linux type, I decided to dedicate one of the internal Hard Drives to Linux (10 Gig) and the other to MacOS (40 Gig). We've had a lot of experience installing LinuxPPC on Macs before, including LinuxPPC 1st release, LinuxPPC 1999, and LinuxPPC2000. (On Beige G3 and BW G3)

Problems Begin
=============
We had been using LinuxPPC2000 for over 4 months now, with excellent results and performance. However, we had never tried compiling anything. Instead, we prefere downloading pre-compiled binaries to spare the hassle.

Just last week my wife tried compiling MySQL (Database program), which is rather large. This is where problems began. The GCC compiler would begin compiling (after 'make' command was issued) and abort half way through the process, with either 'signal 11', 'signal 6', 'signal 7' or ultimatley a severe hard crash (frozen mouse, on Linux?! yikes...) We tried compiling several different packages, dozens of times each in some cases, and always getting these errors.

To make things worse, it would not always abort on the same spot. Actually, commading Linux to continue compiling (re-issuing 'make' would continue compiling successfuly for a few seconds and aborting again)This started hinting us at a hardware issue , although we wanted to believe it was software related. The memory was our first suspect.

We're not alone!
=============
My wife did an excellent job at finding people that have been having trouble compiling under Linux, with these same specific errors that GCC was generating. She could not find a single Mac user with these problems, but she did find a page dedicated to dealing with this exact problem, on PC hardware. It is located at:
http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/
...and knowns as "The Sig11 FAQ". The FAQ deals with possible causes of the sig11 crash, and how to deal with it. This is an EXCELLENT read for anyone having general and misterious problems with their computer, EVEN if you don't run Linux. Really.

We read this throughly, and realized almost everything explained here applied to our Mac. It is definitely biased towards hardware related issues (95%), so we where ready for the worse.

Back to 350, baby
==============
We quickly discarded memory as the culprit, by testing 2 out of 4 modules at a time. The FAQ mentions overclocking as a possible cause of the compiling error. So I placed the jumpers back to the original setting, and booted at 350 Mhz for the first time in 16 months. Argh! To my surprise, the compilation took place flawlessly. We continued compiling other stuff that had failed before, and also worked out fine. Everything compiles perfectly, not a single abort, error, or crash. And remember, these same procedures would ALWAYS fail under 400 Mhz configuration, repeatedly.

The FAQ goes on explaining that the compilation process is very strict and hardware demanding, in terms of CPU, memory, bus, and cache. It basically states that the best integrity check for harware, in general, is performing a large compilation. I accept that statement blindly as a rule of thumb, because absolutely non of the tests I have performed on the MacOS have failed, this included mounting of extremely large .smi images, among others.

Conclusion
==========
Well, my conclusions are:

a) If you are getting compile errors under Linux, and you have clocked your CPU, downclock and see if this is the culprit. It was for us, and it has been for many people on the 'darker' side.

b) Some apparent 'software specific errors' could be hardware related. Read the FAQ, I'm telling you!

c) I need to get a new, faster, ZIF upgrade now ;)

-Cristian "

The FAQ here has an 'Overclocking Risks' section with a link to another web site with an article on long term risks of OC.

If any readers have done Linux compiles with an overclocked CPU, please let me know if any errors were seen as well as your system/CPU details.

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$1799 PowerBook G3/400 (5300/190 Tradein Offer Ends 8/31/00):
Doug Landry of the PB Zone sent a note they have a story on a limited time trade-in offer (ends August 31st) for PB 5300/190 owners that reduces the price on a new Pismo G3/400 to $1799. (I didn't see any sign of this at the Apple Store this morning.) Doug also has more notes on the AC adapter issues on their page today. If you missed it, I posted a detailed review of the PowerBook Firewire including applications and game performance comparisons several months back (linked on the Systems page here for future reference).
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New Rate Your CPU Upgrade Database Reports
The Rate Your CPU Upgrade database has been updated with 9 new entries.

  • Newer Tech G4/350 in Umax S900 (rated 10)
  • Newer Tech G4/400 in 9500 (rated 10)
  • Newer Tech Carrier card (G3/400) in 7500 (rated 9)
  • OWC G3/366 ZIF in Beige G3 (rated 9)
  • OEM G3/366 ZIF in Beige G3 (rated 8)
  • Powerlogix G3/366 in 7500/100 (rated 10)
  • XLR8 CarrierZIF in 8500/132 (rated 9)
  • Apple B&W (rev 1) G3/350 OC report after 16 months (going back to 350mhz from 400mhz due to Linux compiling errors when the system was overclocked)
  • Apple B&W (rev2) G3/350 OC report

You can find these full reports by searching the database selecting the indicated Mac model and upgrade card brand/type. If you've upgraded the CPU on your Mac, please post an entry in the database. Search the database of over 4200 entries from most every upgradable Mac model *before* you buy.

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New Drive Compatibility Database Reports
The Drive Compatibility database had 7 new entries.

    Combo DVD/CDRW Drives:
  • Toshiba IDE SD-R1002 in B&W G3

    CDRW Drives:
  • Sony Firewire CRX145E (10x/4x/32x)

    Hard Drives:
  • IBM Travelstar 20GN 20GB in PowerBook Firewire
  • IBM 75GXP 30GB in 9x00 Mac w/Sonnet Tempo card
  • Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 40GB in B&W G3 rev 2
    (I reviewed that same setup last spring)
  • Quantum SCSI Atlas V / Atlas IV 9GB in 7300 w/Initio Miles U2 card
    (includes comments on Quantum drive jumper settings)
  • Samsung IDE 10GB in 6400/200

If you've added a IDE, SCSI, Firewire or USB hard drive, CDRW, tape drive, etc. make sure you add a report to the database.

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New Mac Game Reviews Database Update:
Today's Rate Your Mac Games database updates another review of Deus Ex. Since each review entry also notes system details like CPU type/speed, RAM and Video card details, these reviews are also good to see how well games play on various Mac models and video cards (important to know before you buy). If you've not already done so enter a game review.
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New Mac Game/Video Card Framerates Database Reports
Today's updates to the Mac Game FPS database included a PowerCenter Pro 240 (604e) Voodoo5 (32bit) owner's Throughput 1.4 results. (As a search aid to see all Voodoo5 entires regardless of FSAA settings, etc, select either 'Voodoo5 16bit' or 'Voodoo5 32bit' at the search page.)
If you're curious how a CPU upgrade or new Video card would help game performance, the search page options can help you find similar system/configurations to get an idea before you buy.
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Software Updates/TILs/Other Net News:
Links from around the web.

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