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News stories of Feb. 26th, 2004: (later posted items first, light today due to illness)
Geethree comments on MultiPort addon PCI card/pricing for G3/G4 towers
The president of Geethree replied to questions I had regarding their MultiPort for G3/G4 towers mentioned earlier today.

" Hi Mike, Thanks of asking the excellent questions.
The price of the Sweet Multiport is $99.95. We sold a ton of these at MacWorld Expo at this price and decided to make this our standard price. We'll update our FAQ.

The PCI card is technically a USB and FireWire hub that fit on the PCI card. So it uses the built-in ports on the Mac, which is FireWire 400 and USB 1.1. But the chip set for USB is a 2.0 chipset (as well as the card reader chipset) if there were USB 2 on the logic board.

We needed a place for the circuitry of the hubs and needed to interface to the drive bay area. So we decided to put everything on a PCI card. Technically, all that we are using from a PCI standpoint is power.

Yes, deep sleep is supported. Since the PCI card is a hub (vs. a USB or FireWire controller), we can support deep sleep without a problem. If it were a controller, deep sleep would be work (we had a prototype with USB 2 controller and deep sleep did not work). From what we can tell, this is a problem with all PCI USB controller cards when you have devices connected.

On the QuickSilver G4 systems, the opening for the bottom drive bay is very short - only tall enough to fit a Zip disk. Unfortunately the memory card connector at the bottom of Sweet front panel card can not fit through this opening. There is only space for the CF connector. (looking at the photos of the QS install vs Digital Audio/previous towers you can almost see the issue is vertical space)

Let us know if you have any further questions....
Best regards,
Bruce Gee
President, GeeThree "

(Sorry news is light today, I seem to have caught a flu bug yesterday and It's really got me down today.)

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Anyone own the Geethree MultiPort (front FW, USB and Cardreader ports) for G3/G4 Towers?
A reader sent a link to Geethree.com's Sweet Multiport for G3/G4 towers that mounts in the lower bay below the Optical drive. It adds 2 Firewire ports, one USB port and a 5-in-1 memory card reader (CompactFlash/IBM Microdrive, Memory Stick, SD card and MultiMediaCard slots - but they noteQuickSilver towers only support CF and Microdrive). Included is a PCI card with 2 ports each on it also. (According to the later pages in their install guide, the PCI card is just used to re-route the onboard FW/USB ports to the front panel, not another FW/USB PCI card. This explains why the FAQ page mentions the MultiPort working with (using) the onboard Firewire400 and USB 1.1 ports. OS 9.1 and later (including OS X) support is noted without addon drivers which makes sense as the onboard controllers are used.
They also have a Multiport FAQ page with answers to some common questions. (The product page link above shows $99.95, but the FAQ page mentions $129.95 intro price and regular price of $149.95.) The FAQ page also links to an installation page.
If any reader with a G3/G4 tower tries one of these let me know how well it works (and what devices you test with it). Also if installed in a G4/AGP tower, does the PCI card affect deep sleep support? (with or without any USB/FW devices connected - since it's apparently just used to re-route the onboard FW/USB ports I assume it does. Their FAQ says it supports 'sleep' mode.)
Update - see the later news item above for Geethree's comments on the PCI card (a USB/FW Hub basically) and pricing.
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Reader Report on using Linksys 802.11g Base and Ethernet/Wireless Bridge w/Beige G3 and OS 9.2
(Updated - see below for another Linksys base owner's comments on Appletalk/printer sharing.)

From a reader email:

" Mike, First let me say, thanks for your site! I recently got my G3/300 up and running again and your site had a lot to do with that! I upgraded from 8.6 to 9.2, since that is what is on my wife's computer. I just thought I should send you a line about what I did.

I had been looking for a way to set up a wireless network for my wife's iMac/350 and my G3 (Beige G3 - see updated comments below) so that we could share the Roadrunner connection. My G3 was in one room and her iMac was in another. I wanted to go wireless since the rooms are on opposite ends of the house.

Neither of our computer's had the Airport card and I really had to do a lot of searching to find ANYTHING about wireless for Macs, let alone Macs running 9.2. (FYI: The FAQ's networking section here has an older item on wireless networking options for macs w/o airport card slots - including notes on the Belkin USB/wireless (802.11b) adapter that has OS 9.x and OS X drivers - I used one with my B&W G3 for OS 9.2.2 and OS X use more than a year ago, but that was before 10.3 was released, so not sure if their drivers page has panther drivers or native support. For PCI and PCMCIA card slot macs, there's also notes there on non-Apple wireless adapters that work with later versions of Airport in OS X and notes on drivers for non-broadcom chipset based wireless adapters. -Mike)

I got the Linksys WRT54g router and WET54g bridge, even though Linksys supposedly doesn't support Mac or 9.2. I used the Web-based configuration for both items. Got the router set up right away, but had to spend about 3hours trying to get my G3's TCP/IP settings and the bridge configured properly. (I think what it came down to was I had to have the WET54g bridge clone my G3's Ethernet port's hardware address because they were both trying to share they same IP.) Nonetheless, it is working now and I can't wait to get home tonight and spend some time tweaking it!

I hope this is of some interest to you, and will try to get the specific set up written down, so I can share it with you.

(I asked him if the Linksys base supported Appletalk/printer sharing, I've used some non-apple bases in the past that didn't.-Mike)

It is a beige G3 desktop.
When I was setting it up, I put both computers in the same room. Before I attached the WET54g bridge to my G3, I attached an ethernet cable from the router to my G3 and the iMac was able to access the G3, but I have not tried file sharing since attaching the bridge. The WET54g bridge doesn't need any drivers by the way. (like most bases, the bridge is configured via a browser typically)

I will check about the Appletalk/Printer sharing. I have never really used the Appletalk/Print sharing as we both have local printers, but I will investigate!
Thanks!, Brian"

Another Linksys WAP54G base owner sent comments on Appletalk/Printer Sharing:

" Mike, in response to your pondering non Apple base stations that support AppleTalk and printing, I use a Linksys WAP54G at home with my G3/900 iBook (802.11b) and I can print fine - from Quark 4.11 in Classic no less, to my PrintDesk Lite print spooler (6100/66 w/G3-266 running OS7.5.5), or directly to my LaserWriter IIg. I can also share in any combination between the iBook, eMac (both running Panther), 8600-OS9.1, 8500-OS8.6, Snap 2000 server or G4/1.33GHz (upgraded Digital Audio.)
Thanks for an awesome site!
Regards, Rick P. "

BTW - One thing I've noticed about Linksys 802.11b PCcards is they've changed chipsets used several times. (I had at least 2 different versions of the same 802.11b model Linksys PCcard - each had a different chipset.) Just a FYI for anyone shopping for an Airport native compatible Adapter (the chipset they use may change over time with some adapter cards - not an issue for Windows but can be for native mac support of adapters w/o addon/3rd party drivers. See the FAQ's Networking section for 3rd party drivers for wireless cards that do not use the broadcom 802.11g chipset for instance.)

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Dr.Bott PR on PocketDock compatibility with iPod Mini
Dr.Bott sent a press release on the PocketDock for 3rd Gen iPods that notes iPod mini compatibility. It allows you to use a firewire cable without needing the Apple iPod dock and lists for $18.95.
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Rate Your CPU Upgrade Reports Database Updated
The Rate Your CPU Upgrade database has been updated with 3 new reports this morning (entries later today are added the next newsday morning). Total to date: 9,170. Here's a summary of the update added today (search by brand/mac model for full reports - latest reports always shown first):

  • Other World Computing G4/1.4GHz in (quicksilver) G4/AGP (rated 10)
  • PowerLogix G4/800 (no L3) in (sawtooth) G4/AGP (rated 8)
    (noted problems with sleep/wake from sleep)
  • Sonnet G4/1GHz in B&W G3 (rated 4)
    (My reviews of G4 and G3 upgrades w/apps/game tests, install info, etc. are linked here. OC/CPU module articles are on the Systems page.)

(Warning - Overclocking may not be reliable and could lead to hardware failure or corrupted data.) You can find the full reports by searching the database selecting the indicated Mac model and upgrade card brand/type. If you've upgraded the CPU on your Mac, please post an entry in the database. Search the database for entries from most every upgradable Mac model *before* you buy. (Searchable by mac model/upgrade brand). For detailed reviews with performance tests and install tips, see the CPU Upgrades page.)

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CDRW/CD/DVD/Hard Drive/Cardreader Compatibility Database Update Listing
The Drive Compatibility Database had 15 new reports added (reader entries from yesterday; entries today are added the next newsday morning. Entires w/missing info/no comments are not posted). The database includes reports on Combo DVD-CDRW, CDROMs, DVD-ROM, DVD-RAM, DVD-R, DVD+R, CDRW, Hard Drives and Removables (tape drive, ORB, ZIP, MO drives, CF/Smartmedia readers, etc.) in all interface types (IDE, IDE RAID cards, Firewire, SCSI, USB, adapters). Current total 12,573 reports. (searching by drive type/brand, mac model etc. listed below will show the full reports, most recent first)

    DVD-ROM Drives:
  • Exp. bay Teac DV-28E 8X/24X in Powerbook 1400 (OS 9.1)
    (problems noted)

    CDRW Drives:
  • Firewire cased Liteon LTR-52327S (52x32x52x) used w/G5 tower (OS X 10.3)
  • Firewire Que 12x10x32 (teac mechanism) used w/B&W G3 (OS X 10.3)
    (problems noted, even with Toast 6.0.3. may be Que case/bridge related)
  • IDE LG GCE-8320B (32x10x40x) in B&W G3 (OS X)
    (using burn support plugin from FAQ, not bootable from CD)
  • IDE "Mad Dog" boxed Artec 52x24x52x in G4/AGP (OS X)
    (listed under "other" brands, no burn support, problems noted even w/toast, didn't test for booting from CD)
  • IDE Mitsumi CR-48XGTE (54x32x54x) in G4/AGP (OS X 10.3)
    (no native burn support, suggested using Patchburn II for Panther burn support.)

    Combo DVD-CDR Drives:
  • Exp. bay Toshiba SD-R2412 (24x10x24x +8x DVD-ROM) in Powerbook G3 2000 (OS 9.2) (using modified burn support plugin)

    DVD+R/RW + DVD-R/RW Drives:
  • IDE NEC ND-2500A (8x DVD-R/DVD+R) in G4/AGP (OS X 10.3)
    (using lacie profile for burn support)
  • IDE Pioneer DVR-107D in Dual G4 DDR (OS X 10.3)
    (using lacie profile for burn support)
  • IDE Pioneer DVR-106D in Dual G4 DDR (OS X 10.3)
  • IDE Pioneer DVR-106D in Dual G4 (OS X 10.3)
    (using patchburn II for DVD SP 2.0 support. not clear if the drive is a standard "apple burn supported" DVR106D model (native support in 10.2.8 and later) or if it's one with the firmware/ID differences that were not natively supported.)
    (Illustrated CD drive install guide here covers G4 towers up to the Digital Audio Model, Beige G3 MT and B&W G3 Macs)

    DVD-R + DVD-RAM Drives:
  • IDE Matshita UJ-815B in G4 Cube (OS X 10.3)
    (no native burn support)

    Hard Drives:
  • IDE SerialATA Maxtor DiamondMax PlusII 250GB in G5 tower (OS X 10.3)
  • Firewire Lacie d2 120GB used w/G5 Tower (OS X 10.3)
  • Firewire (cased) Maxtor 120GB used w/Dual G4 DDR (OS X 10.3)
    (some problems noted)

You can find full owner reports (latest shown first) by searching the database by drive/brand/interface/mac models (the latest reports are shown first in searches). For guides to installing CD/CDRW/DVD drives or Hard drives in many mac models, see the IDE Articles page. The Firewire articles page also has guides on case kits, installing drives, etc.
If you've added a IDE, SCSI, Firewire or USB hard drive, CDRW, tape drive, etc. make sure you add a report to the database. (If you post an updated entry - make sure you use the same name, etc. as you did before so I can find your past entry. Thanks.)
(Incomplete entries are deleted. Do not post questions in the database, it's for drive reports not questions on what drive to buy - for that try searching the database for reports from owners of your mac model on the drive type/brand/interface, etc. you're interested in.)

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