" Mike,
The latest CCC (Carbon Copy Cloner-Mike) beta 2.14 has a new item to "Bless OldWorld Target Disk" just to deal with the issue you mentioned in your news. It may have been there before and I just didn't notice it. The latest version fixes a problem with psynch also. Seems like Mike Bombich has a later version posted in his forum announcement section than what is on the CCC web page.
Gregory"

Another reader noted the same option:

" I noticed that one of your readers has problems cloning OS X in Old World Macs. I and several others had this problem and there was a discussion about this at the Xpost facto site run by OWC. However, I (and most others I think) did find it possible to clone OS X installed by Xpost Facto (I would not know anything about the Sonnet utility).
For me, this required partitioning my new drive with Drive Setup from OS 9.1 and not the Disk Utility of OS X before cloning my OS X system to the new drive. (Unfortunately this means destroying the data on the disk if it is not a new drive.) At least this worked for me when I used it to clone 10.1.5. Others have been successful with 10.2.
To clone OS versions 10.2 and above you need to use CCC 2.1.2 and with 10.1.5 and earlier versions you need to use CCC 1.3, as noted on Mike Bombich's site. Further, when using CCC 2.1.2 you have to use "Bless Old World Disk" from the pull down menu's (something easy to forget).
Good luck to your readers,
David N. "

And yet another report of success:

"Mike,
I saw your posting regarding cloning a X drive on older Macs, but not having done so on anything older than a beige G3.
The Mac is my home system, a 9600 with a PowerLogix G3/500 card and 1.5 Gigs of Ram. I have used Carbon Copy Cloner to clone a 10.2.2 drive to a larger 9 Gig hard drive (the original 4gig drive didn't have enough room to complete the 10.2.3/4 updates). I was able to boot on the drive, fix permissions, and then run the updater without any problems. However, since the 9 gig drive was an Ultra SCSI IBM drive with an 80 to 50 pin adapter and doesn't contain onboard termination, I had to mount it into the middle of my SCSI chain so that it would work correctly. I cannot remove the 4 gig drive altogether or the system hangs in mid-boot. I suppose a terminator at that end of the chain would solve this, but who has the time? I also have an 18 gig drive that I still have running OS 9 (10k speed drive makes a world of difference and yes, it is also in the middle of the SCSI chain).
Anyway, with the three drives in, I had to boot onto a OS 9 CD, choose my 9 drive and have it blessed, then reboot and then I could successfully boot into X with XPostFacto (latest, love it). Since then, I have run all software updates without incident. The system itself is ok (I added the ATI Radeon 7000 to fix video performance since the stock ixMicro TwinTurbo video card was 8mb and worthless in X), but it still is only about as fast as an early G4 iMac. (The trade in of the ixMicro card with ATI got me $50 back, I recommend doing it!)
I hope this helps your readers. It sounds kind of complicated, but it really isn't. Just remember the logical steps...termination of drives, blessing of OS...and you're in business.
--John
Director of Communications
LSU College of Basic Sciences"

Earlier updates follow:

" I've successfully cloned os 10.1.5 using old world mac's without any problems. I have done so on a 7500/100 (with Sonnet G4/400) and a 9600/300 (with the same sonnet card.) I believe the problems with cloning may arise with system version above 10.1.5, but I am not absolutely sure of this.
- Ronaldo B.
(I asked if he had booted from the cloned disk)
Yup. Infact, I just cloned my system yesterday using Carbon Copy Cloner version 1.3.1. "

(original news item follows)
From a reader email in reply to yesterday's post on CloneX:

"To the best of my knowledge it is not possible to successfully clone an OS X system on an old world mac-it will seem to complete, i.e. Carbon Copy Cloner, but can't boot the computer. Mike B. (Mike Bombich author of Carbon Copy Cloner I assume-Mike) says it is related to the partition mapping system. Clone X doesn't mention old world systems. I downloaded the demo and will give it a try this weekend, but am not hopeful.
DFS"

I don't have a legacy Mac running OS X to test, nor have I used CloneX (like many readers I've used Carbon Copy Cloner in the past with G3 and later Macs).

" Today, Project Magma is releasing its first update to Myth II: Soulblighter, created by Bungie Software. This update brings the game to version 1.3.2, and patches noticeable bugs in Windows XP/2000, as well adding native support for Mac OS X. Coinciding with this release, Project Magma would also like to announce Myth II 1.4, to be released May 15th, which is a major update to Myth II that contains over 100 enhancements, including:

- graphical and interface improvements
- OpenGL support for Windows and Mac OS X
- gameplay bug fixes and improved AI
- fixed plugin lag, meaning that users can load an almost limitless number of third-party maps simultaneously
- addition of vTFL , allowing virtual play of Myth: The Fallen Lords in Myth II

The Myth II 1.3.2 update can be downloaded here. New players may also sign up for Myth II's free community-provided online gaming services, playmyth.net and mariusnet.
Thank you,
Eric Budd, aka Bullseye
PlayMyth.net PR "

Here's their page on the v1.4 update in the works. (The previous comments that were here on how this update was developed have been removed by request of Mike Bagnall of MythDevelopers, the organization responsible for the recent conversion of Myth 2 to OS X who said the comments from Eric regarding assistance from Bungie were inaccurate. Mike Bagnall said that "Myth II version 1.3.2 was produced by MythDev and Project Magma - not just Project Magma. Eric Budd is also not a PR representative for PlayMyth.net - he may be for Project Magma, but not for PlayMyth.")

"The other day I emailed you to let you know that I am using the latest Scanjet drivers from HP for their Scanjets 4570/5500. I am using the 5500 and I am still not experiencing any problems with this driver. Furthermore, I am running 10.2.4 and the highest CPU usage is a mere 3 percent at any given time. HP's documentation says that this driver is to used with 10.2.3 or higher. If HP's tech support says otherwise then the support is wrong...
Joel"

Joel had noted in yesterday's news that his hard drive would not go to sleep however. (I asked if that was still true and he said yes.) I also asked Joel (after several hours of use) to run "top -u" from the Terminal to see what it shows for CPU cycle usage. (Not sure if he had done that, the -u parameter sorts the list from highest to lowest CPU usage - he later wrote that top shows low CPU usage.)
Another Scanjet owner (Peter) yesterday reported the CPU cycle hogging. See earlier news item below for one reader's suggestion on re-installing the 10.2.4 combo update, which he said helped with the same HP communications problem with one of HP's AIO Printer/scanners. (This issue was a common complaint with readers here last fall.)

"HP Communications -
My friend had the HP Communications CPU cycle problem even with 10.2.4 and latest HP driver with her PSC All-In-One unit and FP iMac. I was able to fix the problem by applying the 10.2.4 Combo Updater. This could of interest to people still having problems even with the newest HP drivers.
Your site is the greatest, thank you for all your hard work especially with so many other sites going to subscription-based models.
Bill P."

I sent that tip to Peter to try.

• Giga Designs G4/800 in G4/400 AGP (rated 9)
• Giga Designs G4/800 in (Gigabit) G4 AGP (rated 9)
• Other World Computing G4/550 in Beige G3 (rated 10)
• Powerlogix G4 1GHz in Sawtooth G4/AGP (rated 8)
  (noted he didn't have any wake from sleep problems)
• Powerlogix G4 1GHz (series100) in G4/400 AGP (rated 7)
  (updated info on wake from sleep, usb bus power and boot from CD issue)
• Powerlogix iMac G4/500 in iMac G3/233 (rated 1)
  (noted what sounds like a thermal problem)
• XLR8 CarrierZIF MPe w/G4 450 ZIF in 9600 (rated 10)
• Other Brand G4/500 in B&W G3 (rated 10)

(Warning - Overclocking may not be reliable and could lead to hardware failure or corrupted data.) You can find the full reports by searching the database selecting the indicated Mac model and upgrade card brand/type. If you've upgraded the CPU on your Mac, please post an entry in the database. Search the database for entries from most every upgradable Mac model *before* you buy. (Searchable by mac model/upgrade brand). For detailed reviews with performance tests and install tips, see the CPU Upgrades page.)

DVD-R DVD Recorder Drives:
• IDE Pioneer DVR-105 in G4/AGP (OS X)
  
  Combo DVD-CDR Drives:
• IDE Toshiba SDR1312 (32x10x40x + 12x DVD-ROM) in Beige G3 (OS X)
  (not bootable)
  (FYI - Illustrated CD drive install guide here covers G4 towers up to the Digital Audio Model, Beige G3 MT, B&W G3 and 8600/9600 Macs.)
  
  SCSI CDRW Drives:
• Yamaha CRW2100S (16x10x40) used w/8100 (OS 9.1)
  
  Firewire CDRW Drives:
• Lite-On LTR-52246S (52x24x52x) in FW case used w/G4 AGP (OS X)
  
  IDE Hard Drives:
• Western Digital 120GB in Beige G3 (OS X)
  (Beige G3 MT illustrated HD upgrade guide here)
• Western Digital 120GB in eMac (OS X)
  (included link to install info)

You can find full owner reports (latest shown first) by searching the database by drive/brand/interface/mac models (the latest reports are shown first in searches). For guides to installing CD/CDRW/DVD drives or Hard drives in many mac models, see the IDE Articles page. The Firewire articles page also has guides on case kits, installing drives, etc.
If you've added a IDE, SCSI, Firewire or USB hard drive, CDRW, tape drive, etc. make sure you add a report to the database. (If you post an updated entry - make sure you use the same name, etc. as you did before so I can find your past entry. Thanks.)
(Incomplete entries are deleted. Do not post questions in the database, it's for drive reports not questions on what drive to buy - for that try searching the database for reports from owners of your mac model on the drive type/brand/interface, etc. you're interested in.)

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