News Archive for: 11/8/2004 Monday's News (later posted items first)
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More 10.3.6/DVD Player tests (w/9800 Pro and DVR-108 OK on several systems)
Just a note in the continuing saga to determine why -some- 10.3.6 users had problems running the DVD Player. As I posted earlier, despite claims the 9800 Pro was to blame, I proved that was not true (the DVD player worked perfectly (and with no image quality problems or artifacts seen in 'the matrix' dvd) on a MDD w/retail 9800 pro with NEC ND-2500A drive as I mentioned earlier today. And based on tests I've run now and reports from other readers - the DVD player not running problem some have seen (usually with a DVR-108 drive and/or a 9800 Pro) is not a universal problem with either device. There has to be some other factor as most every combination now has been tested OK.

Since 10.3.6/DVD Studio Pro 3.0.2 updates added Dual Layer burn support (in DVD SP 3.0.2 at least) I swapped an OEM DVR-108D (w/firmware 1.14/region code already set ) from a homebrew PC here into a 2003 DP 2GHz G5 w/6800 card installed (which has DVD SP 3.0.2) and rebooted (twice) - then checked Apple System Profiler in 10.3.6. The drive was shown as "Not Supported" (for burn support). Inserting the Matrix DVD however prompted that the disc had been played before and did I want to resume playback or start over. It played fine.
Since some thought the Patchburn 3 profile may not be compatible with 10.3.6, I then downloaded patchburn 3.0b6 and ran it (as admin user, rebooting and then repairing permissions just in case, although that was not necessary) - ASP reported the DVR-108D as "vendor supported" (as expected). I then inserted the Matrix DVD disc again and was prompted with the resume or play at beginning dialog box in the dvd player. I chose resume and the disc played as before (last played at the menu/looping scene). So a) patchburn3 profiles are not the problem and b) the DVR-108D drive does work with the 10.3.6 DVD Player. (There has to be some other factor in the mix for those with problems.)
I've not personally tried swapping a oem or retail 9800 pro in the G5 yet to see if that -combination- changes things but since the earlier posts some other readers w/DVR-108D drives and a 9800 Pro have reported the combo works fine - so there has to be some other factor in the problem.

" Hi Mike
I have no issues with DVD's playing on my Dual G5 1.8 rev2, retail ATI 9800,and pioneer DVR108 (with patchburn3 and hacked drivers). Neither do I get any artifacts.
DVD used was Passion of the Christ
Tam "

Another G5 owner w/108D drive and a flashed 9800XT card also reported no problems with the DVD Player in 10.3.6. And a Quicksilver G4 800 w/DVR-108D drive and retail 9800 Pro also said he's had no problems with the 10.3.6 DVD Player. So like many OS X update problems - this is not a universal problem.
If anyone with dvd player problems (won't start/unsupported system config) can triple check for any non-std/3rd party installed software/addons, etc. let me know if that's a factor. Given all the tests today (from myself and others) - the problem isn't universal or due to the DVR-108D or 9800 Pro alone or in combination in all system configurations at least.

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Digital Audio G4 in PowerMac G5 Case Conversion
" Hey Mike, Thought others may be interested in this. Due to heat isues with the original G4 case, I converted a (digital audio) G4 into a G5 case. Result is a much quieter and cooler running machine.
http://www.mlode.com/~stuka/g45/
Thanks, Brandon" "

For other case conversion articles (G4s, G3s, iMacs, etc.), see the systems page.

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10.3.6 DVD Player failure to run problems (not due to 9800 Pro alone - runs fine on 9800 Pro w/NEC 2500 drive here)
In reply to the earlier post on DVD player in 10.3.6 failing to run (from DVR-108 owners typically) several readers replied blaming it on the Ati 9800 Pro but that is -not- the sole blame, since as I mentioned (and reported on the 10.3.6 feedback page) - a 9800 Pro owner mentoned artifacts in the 10.3.6 DVD player (which I do not see here) and today I updated to 10.3.6 on a MDD G4 w/retail 9800 Pro and the DVD player runs fine. (And BTW - I do not see any image quality problems/artifacts in 10.3.6's DVD player w/retail 9800 pro in a MDD system running the Matrix DVD as a test).
The MDD system w/retail 9800 Pro (w/Sept. 2004 firmware update) is using an (unsupported natively) NEC ND-2500A drive with the Lacie profile for 10.3.x iApps burn support as it has for almost a year now. (I chose it over patchburn II's profile at the time (before patchburn3 was released) since it reported "vendor supported" and was 'hand made' so to speak vs the auto-generated patchburn II profile, although patchburn II's profile usually is functionally the same.)
One reader also thought the problem was due to the DVR-108 drives being external - but as shown on the 10.3.6 feedback page (an ASP report) - the problem exists with the drive on the ATAPI (internal IDE) bus also. (DVD player won't play from ext. drives usually unless patched but has in the past if the internal drive is DVD-ROM compatible).
Despite the fact a 9800 owner w/106 drive said swapping the graphics card fixed the problem and there's reports of reverting drivers back to older versions - if the 9800 pro alone was the fault - I and others (even with patchburn profile supported drives) would be seeing it and that is not the case. (I proved that here - some posts in apple's forums blamed a patchburn3 profile compat. issue with 10.3.6, which isn't true from my tests.) My 9800 Pro MDD system does not have a DVR-108 (or any Pioneer dvd drive) installed however - but it would seem very strange if the problem depended on both those factors. I'm still looking for a real fix/cause of this problem.
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Some DVR-108 owners reporting 10.3.6 DVD Player Problems
(Update - see the later posts above - this is not a universal problem with the DVR-108D drive or as some thought, due to the 9800 Pro card drivers.)
Several Pioneer DVR-108 drive owners wrote that the DVD player will no longer run after the 10.3.6 update. See the OS X 10.3.6 feedback page for their full reports but typically they listed these errors:

    There was an initialization error
    The current machine or system configuration is not supported (-070013)

They reported the patchburn 3 profile still had iApps burn support - but no fixes for the DVD player to date. (all the usual tips - combo update applied, RP, clearing caches, etc. did not help ). I also asked one reader if he'd tried removing the patchburn 3 profile (in /Library/DiscRecording/DeviceProfiles/ folder) but he said that did not help (assuming he rebooted after removing it) since some thought there may be native burn support now for the DVR-108D or a problem with the Patchburn 3 profiles in 10.3.6 (there's not - see my personal tests on this above in later posts).
If anyone that is finds a fix for this let me know. (or if anyone sees the problem with another drive model.)
BTW - speaking of the 10.3.6 DVD player, a retail 9800 Pro card owner wrote he's seeing the artifacts again (an old issue in the past w/updates) - but as noted in the later post above, I do not see any problems like this with 10.3.6/DVD player w/retail 9800 pro in a MDD system so far. (Neither did some other 9800 Pro users.)

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10.3.6 Firewire problems w/Speedtools Device Tuner FW Extension
A reader that reported his iPod 4G would not mount (but did via USB) later wrote the problem was due to a intech speedtools extension (device tuner I assume)

" It seems that after some exploring into software I had installed, I realized that I had installed all of Intech Speedtools and as a result it had some kernel extensions pertaining to firewire installed. After uninstalling the parts that had those installed, the iPod mounts and is usable. Sorry about the misinformation about it being 10.3.6 directly, rather than a broken utility.
-Joe
(I asked Joe what version of speedtools he was using (and of the utility/extension-mike)
It's the latest version of speedtools 2, and I uninstalled the firewire device tuner portion. The PowerBook is a 15", 1.5Ghz Al model. "

Watch for an update at the speedtools site for an update.
Note: Intech wrote me to say this problem only affected iPods (see Tuesday's news for their full comments on it.)

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Looking for feedback on Dual Layer Burn Support in DVD SP 3.0.2/10.3.6
Friday's news page had a note about the DVD Studio Pro 3.0.2 update. The Apple kbase doc on DVD SP 3.0.2 changes mentions Dual Layer burn support for that version when used with 10.3.6 or later and the latest firmware for Dual Layer drives but does not mention any specific models.
If any Dual Layer burner owner with DVD Studio Pro 3.0.2 update (or otherwise) tests for this let me know. (Note drive model in reports. thanks)
If you were using Patchburn 3 for iApps drive support in 10.3.5, to test if the drive is natively supported in 10.3.6, remove the patchburn 3 installed profile (in /Library/DiscRecording/DeviceProfiles/ folder) and -reboot-, since the patchburn profile could prevent an ASP report of native support.)
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More Discussion on G5 PCI Fan Control (updated w/10.3.6 Changes)
Previously on the Nvidia 6800 Feedback page I'd had discussions (and complaints) on the PCI area fan in the G5 running faster after the 6800 install and even with a 9800 card after the Fan Control Firmware update included with the 6800 card. Now that 10.3.6 is released, the author of Hardware Monitor was able to discuss in detail the changes made regarding that fan control logic:

"Hello Mike,
sorry for the delayed response. I could not speak about some details before 10.3.6 was officially released.

In Mac OS X 10.3.6, major parts of the fan control code for the PCI fan have been rewritten:

  • Apple has removed the part that sets a constant fan speed for cards that come with a "consume-ADC-power" entry. So they no longer use the technique we spoke about. (see 10/29/2004 comments on the 6800 feedback/tips page)
  • Instead, the fan control drivers now test if the card comes with its own temperature sensor and its own fan. If yes, the whole thermal zone is switched from "classic PCI fan control mode", which was based on the power consumption of the cards, to "active AGP fan control mode". In this case, the OS uses the (new) AGP temperature sensor to control both the PCI slot fan and the fan on the graphics card (if possible).

    It could be that the software update shipped with the 6800 cards already had this modification. To verify, you could check the version number of the AppleMacRISC4PE kernel extension driver: The original 10.3.5 driver was 1.2.5 (internal version ID 125.2.2), the new driver is version 1.4.0 (internal version ID 140.2.1). This would be more consistent with the observations you have made when starting with a "cold" graphics card.

    I noticed on your web site that you have detected some GPU sensors on the 6800 card. (see my previous comments at the 6800 feedback page on GPU temps reported with XresourceGraph.-Mike) If you still have access to the card it would be kind to send me a hardware report for that machine. I could then include support for the new sensors in the next release of Hardware Monitor. To create a detailed hardware report, enter the command

      ioreg -l -w 1000 > hardware.txt

    in Terminal and send me the file "hardware.txt" that will be created in your home directory. The file can contain IP numbers, serial numbers and user names. You can erase these parts for privacy reasons if you like.
    Best regards,
    Marcel Bresink
    (author of Hardware Monitor) "
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    Digital Audio owner feedback on G5 OEM 9600 Pro mod
    Friday's news page had an OWC sale on OEM 9600 Pro cards (which w/o mods only work in G5s/8X AGP slots) and a note/link to the past article from the FAQ on the card mod for use in 4x AGP slot macs. I mentioned that readers with MDD and Quicksilver macs had used the modified card OK, but I did not remember any reports from Digital Audio system owners (which is also a 4x AGP Mac) - I suspected it would work but this reader confirmed it.

    " Hey Mike,
    Saw your query about the OEM 9600 Pros in Digital Audios. I can confirm to you that the tape hack works for DAs. Been using a 9600 Pro in my DA for months without issue -- first with stock 733MhZ, and now with Giga Designs M-series dual 1.33Ghz.
    (name withheld by request) "
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    Requesting Nvidia Graphics Card Control Panel
    (this may not result in anything but it can't hurt either and has been on the wish list since the first nvidia mac graphics cards were shipped. From a reader post Friday)

    " This might be a shot in the dark, and a lot of you guys are probably happy with your 9800 cards, but I've just written off to Apple for a feature request of an nvidia control panel for FSAA & anisotropic filtering with their nvidia cards. I know that petitions don't have a good track record for success, but then, this isn't exactly a petition as much as it is a part of Apple's customer feedback.
    http://www.apple.com/feedback/powermac.html
    If they see enough well-reasoned requests it could go a long way to future considerations. I had been hoping that an enterprising programmer could figure out how to enable these things through Apple's existing drivers, but since that hasn't happened, it can't hurt to ask.
    Endymion "

    I had asked Nvidia (in the Mac 6800 Q&A article earlier this year ) if they would assist a (non-apple) programmer if need be but the answer didn't really address the question.

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    Another article on Internal Bluetooth module install in iBook G4
    Rick sent a note he's also posted a page with info/photos on iBook G4 internal BT module install using an OEM apple BT module from a Powerbook G4. (the previous article covered using a USB BT adapter installed internally).
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    Rate Your CPU Upgrade Reports Database Updated
    The Rate Your CPU Upgrade database has been updated with 6 new reports this morning (entries from Friday-Sunday, entries today are added the next newsday morning). Total to date: 9,645. Here's a summary of the reports added today (search by brand/mac model for full reports - latest reports always shown first):

    • Apple eMac 1GHz OC report (at 1.33GHz)
    • Daystar G4/550 in (Pismo) Powerbook G3 2000 (rated 9)
    • Newer Tech G4/500 for Pismo in Powerbook G3 2000 (rated 6)
    • Powerlogix G4 1.35 GHz (7457) in G4 Cube (rated 7)
      (includes notes on reducing L3 cache speed)
    • Sonnet G4/1GHz in (sawtooth) G4/AGP (rated 10)
    • Sonnet G4/1GHz in B&W G3 (rated 7)
      (For a comprehensive comparison of the fastest CPU ZIF upgrades for Yikes G4/B&W G3/Beige G3s with apps tests, game tests, install info, benchmarks, etc. see the review of G3 1GHz/1.1GHz vs G4/1GHz, G4/800MHz and G4/550MHz CPU ZIF Upgrades here.)

      (Full reviews of G4 and G3 upgrades compared to stock CPUs, including real world apps/game tests, install info, etc. are linked at the CPU upgrades page. OC/CPU module articles are on the Systems page.)

    (Warning - Overclocking may not be reliable and could lead to hardware failure or corrupted data.) You can find the full reports by searching the database selecting the indicated Mac model and upgrade card brand/type. If you've upgraded the CPU on your Mac, please post an entry in the database. Search the database for entries from most every upgradable Mac model *before* you buy. (Searchable by mac model/upgrade brand). For detailed reviews with performance tests and install tips, see the CPU Upgrades page.)

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    CDRW/CD/DVD/Hard Drive/Cardreader Compatibility Database Update Listing
    The Drive Compatibility Database had 13 new reports added this morning. (Entries from Friday-Sunday, entries today are added the next newsday morning.) The database includes reports on Combo DVD-CDRW, CDROMs, DVD-ROM, DVD-RAM, DVD-R, DVD+R, CDRW, Hard Drives and Removables (tape drive, ORB, ZIP, MO drives, CF/Smartmedia readers, etc.) in all interface types (IDE, IDE RAID cards, Firewire, SCSI, USB, adapters). Current total 13,839 reports. (searching by drive type/brand, mac model etc. listed below will show the full reports, most recent first - does not include updates to previous reports)

      DVD+R/RW + DVD-R/RW Drives:
    • Firewire cased Pioneer DVR-107D used w/iBook G4 (OS X 10.3)
      (native burn support in 10.3.3 and later, FAQ's DVD section has notes/link for trick to burn from idvd to external drives.)
    • IDE Liteon LDW-411S in G4/AGP (OS X 10.3)
      (using Patchburn 3 for iApps burn support.)
    • IDE Pioneer DVR-106 in Dual G4 (OS X)
      (native support in 10.2.8 and later, noted problems w/idvd after replacing an internal HD, sounded like a drive sleep problem - if so see FAQ's DVD section for tips on that.)
    • IDE Pioneer DVR-108 in Dual G4 (OS X 10.3)
      (using Patchburn 3 for OS X 10.3.5 iApps burn support. BTW - I've had two (so far as of the weekend) DVR-108 owners report after the 10.3.6 update (noted in friday's news) that the DVD player no longer will run. Illustrated CD drive install guide here covers G4 towers up to the Digital Audio Model, Beige G3 MT and B&W G3 Macs)
    • IDE Sony DRU-710A in Dual G4 (OS X)
      (using Patchburn 1.1 for 10.2.8 iapps burn support)

      CDRW Drives:
    • IDE Plextor PX-W4012A in (yikes) G4 no AGP (OS X 10.3)
      (using Patchburn 3 for OS X iApps burn support. )

      Combo DVD-CDR Drives:
    • IDE LG GCC-4521B (52x32x52x + 16x DVD-ROM) in B&W G3 (OS X 10.3)
      (using Patchburn 3 for OS X iApps burn support. )

      DVD-R Drives:
    • Firewire cased Teac DV-W50E used w/iBook G4 (OS X 10.3)
      (using patchburn II, which was removed from the author's site when Patchburn 3 was released. noted problems w/iApps burn support if using FW vs USB ports. suggested he remove pb II profile and try patchburn 3 as test.)
    • IDE Pioneer DVR-104 (from Lacie D2 case) in B&W G3 (OS 9.2)
      (noted boot hangs, no os 9.x itunes burn support. Illustrated CD drive install guide here covers B&W G3 model)

      Hard Drives:
    • IDE Fujitsu MHU2100AT 100GB in Powerbook G4 (OS X 10.3)
      (Reader FYI - PowerBook G4 Ti 15in. LCD illustrated Hard Drive install guide here
      PB G4 15in (Aluminum) Disassembly guide.
      Powerbook G4 12in LCD illustrated Hard Drive install guide here)
    • IDE Fujitsu MHT2020AT 20GB in PowerBook G3 Wallstreet2 (OS X 10.3)
      (PB G3 1998/wallstreet illustrated HD install guide here
      (PB G3 Pismo illustrated HD install guide here)
    • IDE Hitachi Travelstar 80GB in 20th Anniv. Mac (OS 8.0)
    • IDE Seagate ST380013A 80GB in G4/AGP (OS X 10.3)
      (Illustrated guide to adding a 2nd HD here in B&W G3 rev2 and G4 towers up to the QuickSilver models.
      IDE articles page RAID section has an illustrated guide for adding 2 more drives in the side bays.)

    You can find full owner reports (latest shown first) by searching the database by drive/brand/interface/mac models (the latest reports are shown first in searches). For guides to installing CD/CDRW/DVD drives or Hard drives in many mac models, see the IDE Articles page. The Firewire articles page also has guides on case kits, installing drives, etc.
    If you've added a IDE, SCSI, Firewire or USB hard drive, CDRW, tape drive, etc. make sure you add a report to the database. (If you post an updated entry - make sure you use the same name, etc. as you did before so I can find your past entry. Thanks.)
    (Incomplete entries are deleted. Do not post questions in the database, it's for drive reports not questions on what drive to buy - for that try searching the database for reports from owners of your mac model on the drive type/brand/interface, etc. you're interested in.)

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