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Accelerate Your Mac! News Archive for: 10/09/00 Monday's NewsReturn to Accelerate Your Mac!

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Top stories of 10/9/2000:

Radeon AGP Retail Card Arrives for Review!
FedEx just delivered a retail boxed ATI Radeon AGP card for review. The retail card has a small fan, VGA, DVI and S-Video output ports. (The OEM Radeon card has ADC, not a DVI port and has no S-Video out. See my previous Radeon OEM AGP card performance page for more info.) Also included in the box were S-Video and composite video cables, an S-Video to Composite video adapter and Mac/VGA monitor port adapter. I'll be testing this card in my D4/500 Dual processor and single processor systems (Older Macs don't have an AGP slot, but a PCI Radeon is expected 4-6 weeks after the AGP version is released ).
[Update - I've posted a full 7 page Radeon Mac Edition review covering performance, features, software, specs and more.]
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Voodoo5 Drivers v1.10 Feedback:
Several readers sent comments on the Voodoo5 1.10 driver update noted in Friday's news. The 1.10 update is primarily a bug fix release, not a performance optimization. 3dfx wrote that the 1.1.0 update fixes include:
  • Voodoo3 2D fix
  • Lock up issues in some games while playing videos
  • 32bit Bugdom/RAVE fix

(Click Details link to see a long list of reader comments on the driver update with Voodoo5 and Voodoo3 cards.)

" Lightwave 6 with Voodoo 1.1.0 drivers on Voodoo 5

Previews rendered with openGL play back correctly, whereas before they looked stretched out. (like the memory wasn't being read correctly?)

I still have the menus and buttons turn black at random. I just upgraded from Lightwave 5.6 to 6 a couple of days ago... There are many cool features that I am enjoying, but I feel like It's been given the same treatment as Version 5 for the Mac (which I bought). I'm a very loyal NewTek customer though, I've been using their stuff for over 12 years!!!!

LW5.6 had drawing problems with elements in the layout views. Lights and cameras didn't always draw properly, but it was still useable.
Scott Thomas
Art Director
WINK-TV "

My Voodoo5 review 3D apps page notes some issues reported by others in LW v6 with links to a forum on Mac LW 3D. I don't think these issues are fixed yet but they are working on it and there's a v6.1 update to Lightwave 3D due soon I hear.


" I tried all versions of Voodoo 5 drivers on my Voodoo 3 3000 PCI - including the latest 1.1.0 version. I measured 2D speed with Speedometer QuickDraw tests and Voodoo 3 b12 drivers are still the fastest. However, with b12 RAVE extension some applications crash (3D Gerbils) and with Voodoo 5 RAVE extension works fine - so I combined Voodoo 5 RAVE extension with Voodoo 3 b12 and everything seems fine. New 3Dfx Mac Tools control panel is cool - but of almost no use with Voodoo 3. Is there any benchmarks of various Voodoo drivers on Voodoo 3 and Voodoo 5?
Greetings from Croatia! :-)
Davor Pasaric "

There are hundreds of FPS/Benchmark scores from Voodoo3 and Voodoo5 owners in the Mac Game/Video card performance database here - many list the driver versions used in the comments. (The database is linked in the sidebar and video cards page here).


" Descent 3 now works on my G3 w/ Voodoo 5., but only versions before 1.4.1 (eg. 1.3.2).
Jay "


" Dear Mike,
I had problems with the 1.08 drivers and so was looking forward to the 1.1 updates. But these too are acting strangely with my Voodoo3 card. I am using system 9.0.4. I "geared" down to 256 colors and could not recover. Everytime I tried thousands or millions all I got was a grey screen. Several old games also would give me the "grey screen of death (gsod)".

Once I reinstalled the beta 12 drivers everything is fine. I didn't try and swap out any of the old drivers with the new ones (like the 2d ones)
Regards,
Bill "


" With 1.10 the graphing calculator does not display the graphics right on voodoo 3 now
1.01 works best for me. 1.08 had a terrible bug in 2D that was suppossed to be fix in 1.10
Pedro Chamorro "


" I noticed some weird changes with the VOODOO 1.1.0 version.

I have a V3 2000 card installed in a 9600/G3carrier

I loaded the 1.0.1 version available from the 3dfx website. This worked great although the windows opening and other operations seemed a little slow. It allowed me to change several settings (quicktime acceleration etc). I then used it to update to 1.1.0. This again worked fine. Until I opened the control panel. Everything was turned off and unavailable for me to turn on (quicktime acceleration, MPEG etc). Although windows seemed to open faster I didnt like that the QT accel was turned off etc.
I then tried putting the 1.0.1 control panel in the CP folder without changing the driver extensions. This allows me to adjust the same features as it did before and turn QT accel back on.

I dont know why they gray out several features in both versions ( 3D features are unavailable in the 1.0.1 version). The only thing I can think is they dont want people using these to "enhance" the old V3 cards and force upgrades to V4/5. If so I dont think that is very cool. They should leave all the features on and let us experiment.
Harland Peelle "


" Hi Mike,
So far everything in 1.1.0 working fine. 3dfx's unified driver works like a charm with the my Voodoo3 2000... before (version 1.0.8) I would get strange system freezes when dragging files from place to place. Like version the 1.0.8 release, QuickTime acceleration still seems disabled. As an aside, I vaguely remember it working in the 1.0.1 (unsupported with Voodoo3) release... of course the 2D was really a lot more bug-ridden then.
David Hong "


" Madden 2000 now works in 4xfsaa for the first time. Thanks to the version 1.1 release.
rob seith "


" Your page is the only one I noticed that mentioned the 3dfx 1.1 driver update. Previously I found that beta 12 slowed down 2d, so I reverted to b11. Version 1.01 slowed down 2d again and 1.08 didn't help. Then I found out that the card needed b12 rom flash, then I found that using a combo of 1.01 with 1.08 2d was comparable to b11. However v1.1 seems a lot snappier (ok, maybe not a whole lot) in 2d. That was supposed to be one of the fixes and it seems to have worked. Q3 demo is working fine as is UT. Thanks for the great site,
Carlos Storch

My system:
S900- Newertech G3 400, 96 M ram
Voodoo 3-2000
Aurora fuse, Adaptec 2940UW "


" The drivers seem to work just fine on my Voodoo3, but still get a blank gray screen after switching color depth, specifically from millions down to thousands, forcing a restart (hitting the reset button on the front of my G4 MP) Never did get prompted to update the ROM for my Voodoo3 upon restart (assuming because its because these drivers are for a Voodoo 5 card ) [The Voodoo3 can't use the Voodoo5 ROM-Mike]

I have had the color depth problem ever since the first drivers for the Voodoo 5s were released and its not specific to my machine because I had the same problem in a beige G3 300mhz. the b12 drivers for the Voodoo 3 do not show this behavior though "


" Works fine with my voodoo3 so far, although removes quicktime acceleration again. No glitches so far, as where seen with 1.08
Tobias Ross "

I welcome feedback on any changes you see. If you can, enter your results of performance tests in the Video Card Performance database. (See the entry page and/or the FAQ Game section for how to run tests or to download benchmarks)

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Formac Proformance 4 Due Soon, Review PDF File Posted:
[Update - as of fall 2001, the Proformance4 has not been released.]
A reader sent info on the dual-chip, dual output Formac Proformance 4 AGP card shown at Macworld NY:

" I called up Formac to find out when their Proformance4 dual monitor AGP video card would be available. I was told "end of this month..."

They have a pdf file of a review of the card up on their site:
www.formac.com/2k/products/pdf_sheets/peddy08.00_pf4.pdf (Preddy Report )
(Name withheld by request)"

See their Proformance 4 product page (http://www.formac.com/2k/products/pf4_products.html) for more info. This post made me wonder what ever happened to the Promax/Matrox G400 Max dual output card.
[Update - Promax did later release the G400 Max card - see the Video articles page for a review.]

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Rate Your CPU Upgrade Database Updates:
The Rate Your CPU Upgrade database has been updated with 10 new reports today (total to date: 4,640)

  • Newer Tech G3/400 in 4400/200 (rated 10)
  • Newer Tech G4/400 in 9500/120 (rated 9)
  • Newer Tech G4/350 in 8500/132 (rated 10)
  • Newer Tech G3/500 ZIF in Beige G3 (rated 10)
  • Powerlogix G3/375 in 7300/200 (rated 9)
  • Powerlogix G3/375 in 8500/120 (rated 10)
  • Sonnet G3/375 in 8500/132 (rated 10)
  • Sonnet G3/300 in 6500/225 (rated 10)
  • Sonnet G4/500 in Yikes G4/PCI (rated 10)

  • 2 Apple G4/350 AGP OC reports

You can find these full reports by searching the database selecting the indicated Mac model and upgrade card brand/type. If you've upgraded the CPU on your Mac, please post an entry in the database. Search the database of over 4,600 entries from most every upgradable Mac model *before* you buy.

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Drive Compatibility Database Updates:
The Drive Compatibility database had new 14 entries posted today (current total 1,632). (Note - I welcome OS X reports in the database from users of non-Apple CD/DVD/CDRW/Firewire drives - select OS X on the entry form)

    CDRW Drives:
  • Mitsumi IDE CR4804TE in B&W G3
  • Plextor IDE PX-W1210A in Starmax 3000
    (notes it was bootable)
  • Sony IDE CRX160E (12x/8x/32x) in ADS Pyro Firewire case
    (notes Toast 4.1.1 update needed to recognize drive)

    Removable Media Drives:
  • SCSI Internal Orb in Beige G3
    (problems noted - missing capacitor?)

    Hard Drives:
  • Clubmac 34GB Firewire drive
  • IBM Deskstar 34GXP 20GB in S900 w/PCI IDE card
  • IBM Deskstar 75GXP 30GB in rev 1 B&W G3
    (notes data corruption seen even with Intech's drivers)
  • Maxtor Firewire 80GB drive (used w/B&W G3)
  • Maxtor IDE 45GB in Beige G3
  • Maxtor Diamond Max Plus40 30GB in Beige G3 Desktop
    (comments include install tips)
  • Quantum IDE Fireball LM 20GB in Performa (no specific Performa model noted)
  • Western Digital IDE 20GB in Performa 6300CD
  • Western Digital IDE 20GB in iMac rev D (333Mhz)
  • Western Digital SCSI 9GB WDE 9150-0040 (10K rpm, Ultra 2) in B&W G3

If you've added a IDE, SCSI, Firewire or USB hard drive, CDRW, tape drive, etc. make sure you add a report to the database.

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Mac Game/Video Card Performance Database Updated:
The latest updates to the Mac Game/Video Card Performance database included more CineBench 2000, Throughput and Quake1 GLQuake entries.

Total entries in the database to date: 2096. If you haven't already, enter your results with any of the game titles or benchmarks listed on the entry page (details on how to test are there). If you're curious how a CPU upgrade or new Video card would help game performance, the search page options can help you find similar system/configurations to get an idea before you buy.

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Software Updates and Apple TILs:

    Apple TILs:
    (none today)
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