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Ref MBs/Sheepsaver Feedback: Reader responses to the earlier post on reference design motherboards and Sheepsaver for BeOS:
"According to their latest blurb, Sheepshaver supports up to MacOS 8.1 _only_. Critically, even when it is running on a Mac it is useless for multimedia apps and games: it will _not_ run applications which access the hardware directly. Another reader commented on the IBM reference design motherboards: "Two issues...
With OS 9 to have (I hear) core support for Altivec and the release of the new G4 systems I think Apple has a real window of opportunity to gain more market share. Even developers here seem frustrated at the maze of future windows versions. I'm trying now to get a local company to look at the G4 systems instead of PCs with an AMD Athlon CPU. I'm hoping my G4/500 will arrive before they make a final decision. They're looking hard at a Kryotech active cooled 800MHz Athlon system that has very impressive performance. One of my concerns on the Athlon is the possibility of undiscovered flaws in the new CPU and/or motherboard chipset needed for the 'slot A' Athlon CPU. The Athlon as noted here previously has some very advanced features and usually far outperforms the Pentium III.
I have to say comments that a G4 CPU in an B&W G3 is like 'strapping a rocket booster to a skate board' is a bit of an exaggeration in my opinion. Soon there will be results of Yikes (basically BW G3 design) vs Sawtooth in real world apps and we'll see how the 'skateboard' really stacks up. Regardless, I'd personally not buy the Yikes if I could afford the improved Sawtooth design (Maxbus, AGP, etc.). Based on non-Altivec apps tests results and Motorola's own docs it is clear that the G4 core is similar to the G3 with a better FPU (like the 604e). The G4's claim to fame is the Altivec execution engine; and with most of today's apps that engine is idle. This is verbatum from the Motorola docs on the G4 CPU talking about non-Altivec performance:
"MPC7400's [G4] core is essentially the same as the MPC750's [G3], except that whereas the MPC750 has a 6-entry completion queue and has slower performance on some floating-point double-precision operations, MPC7400 has an 8-entry completion queue and a full double-precision FPU." For instance I saw no real difference in Bryce or Infini-D performance between a G4/400 and a G3/400 (50MHz or 100MHz bus speeds made literally no difference, so don't let anyone say the memory bandwidth was a bottleneck on this test). But if you listen to some of the claims being made on the G4, you'd expect it to blow the G3 away at any task. As of this date in time that simply is not true with most of the programs you are using now. (3D Games and Photoshop 5.5 with the G4 plugins will be exceptions.) Since non-Altivec optimized apps are what 99% of end users will be running when their G4 arrives, I think some of marketing claims are putting unrealistic expectations into many consumers heads. Specs and memory bandwidth are not linear indicators of real world performance. For instance - the B&W G3 has twice the bus speed and more than twice the memory bandwidth of my Genesis system - but is the B&W really any faster at most apps I use than the Genesis with the same speed CPU? Not usually, and in most cases they perform within 1-2% of each other (documented here in many reviews and articles). Bandwidth specs, bus speeds, max. transfer rates all look impressive on paper but many common applications today aren't really limited by memory bandwidth (at least with a 1MB backside cache buffering main memory). I'm very eager to see what improvements the AGP/Maxbus Sawtooth provides, especially with apps that use Altivec instructions (I'd expect up to 4x improvements in this case). As seen on the PC, AGP vs PCI is another common case of the specifications being more impressive than typical observed performance benefit. There are cases where AGP's higher bandwidth, direct to memory bus (not shared with the PCI bus) can show dramatic gains but these are usually the exception rather than the rule. Again most Mac software is written to not tax even the 132MB/sec max of the standard 33MHz PCI bus. And in most cases your video card is already a bottleneck (it must have the fill rate to take advantage of higher bandwidth). PC AGP vs PCI tests in many 3D games show the difference is often not visible and certainly far less than the interface specs. See this AGP vs PCI article at the well-respected Tom's Hardware site for more info. Would I prefer AGP? You bet! But I'm not foolish enough to think that I'm going to see dramatic benefits from it with today's Mac software. First I'd need a video card that has a fill rate that is not already saturated on the current B&W G3s (the Rage128 already is as seen in my Quake 2 hi-res game tests). The problem (and many marketers know this) is that many consumers see '528MB/sec AGP' and think it's got to be 4 times as fast as '132 MB/sec' std. PCI. Don't get me wrong - I've been praying for AGP to come to the Mac (regular readers will remember my January 1999 complaint that the B&W G3 didn't have AGP). AGP is the current industry standard for graphics cards and is one of the major reasons I bought a Sawtooth G4 system. Again an investment in the future. As more software and the OS becomes Altivec optimized the benefits of owning a G4 will increase, but I'm talking about most common applications people are using today. For these apps I'll bet a blind test of comparabily equipped G4 vs G3 systems would have users hard pressed to 'see' any real difference. There are many other benefits to the new systems that make them attractive but new buyers shouldn't expect their old apps to run dramatically faster than a similarly configured G3 system. Buy a new G4 system for the many other improvements and new features in addition to the G4 processor. Consider it an investment in the future. I'm very excited about the G4/Altivec and new AGP/G4 systems, and only post this long-winded commentary as I feel there are many people out there with unrealistic expectations about basic (non-Altivec) G4 CPU performance. If you can afford it, by all means get the new AGP G4 system. With Altivec optimizations targeted for the OS, Quicktime, etc. you'll see increasing benefits in the future. The Adobe Altivec plugins that ship with the new systems will pay off immediately for Photoshop 5.5 owners. I agree 100% that the new systems are far superior designs and only want to caution the 'typical' end user that already owns a fast G3 to have realistic expectations on performance with most applications they're currently using. Also remember that performance isn't the only criteria - consider all factors (features, ease of use, support, reliability, your software needs) before making any purchasing decision. Often new systems (at least the first revision) bring their own set of compatibility issues that can affect your productivity. (I admit I'm a performance addict and rarely make decisions based on genuine need and never follow my own advice of waiting for 'rev 2' designs, but running this site is my excuse for spending far too much time and money on computers. :-) After first posting this I realized I'm forgotten to say that the AGP/G4 systems addressed literally every facet of my wish list (better bus design, AGP slot, ATA/66, improved USB, provisions for multiple processors) and still used affordable components (PC100 RAM, IDE drives). I am very pleased with the design of the new Sawtooth Macs and can't wait to get mine. BTW: According to the specs I have unlike stated elsewhere, the Pentium III is not a 7x hotter (temperature) CPU than the G4. The specs I have for the G4/400MHz says 8 Watts max. The current Pentium III 450MHz specs cite 25.3 Watts, but they include the 512K L2 cache and bus terminating resistors in that figure.
"Just installed the new Kenwood 52x-True-x CD-Rom (SCSI connection) for my Umax S900 computer and it works incredibly with my Intech CD-Rom speedtools driver (I can't get it to work with just the Apple CD-Dvd driver). I've tested it with audio files, SoundJam, and Toast 3.5.7 and it works flawlessly. Its speed makes you think you're working with a hardrive. I love your site. He later reported the some similar quirks with the CD Audio player application as I saw in testing the IDE TrueX drive. Other players seem fine, including the control strip audio cd player.
"To All Mac Pilots.
"Mike, just a thought... Interesting. I'm sure it could be done - but I wonder if Apple allow it. Apple could crush most small companies with legal action if they saw this as a threat. Ignoring that, once you had the ROM image (not legal to use perhaps unless you owned a Mac - the issues of this sort of thing are beyond my legal knowledge) - it would be possible I'd think to use a bootstrap loader to load the rom at startup. But the Mac ROM is designed to interface to Mac motherboards (memory map), so I think there would need to be some other layer of software for compatibility with the reference designs perhaps (just a guess - this might not be an issue). What would be nice is a utililty like System Commander on the PC (or a modified Linux Lilo perhaps) - where at boot a loader gives you a menu to select which OS to load/run (a selection of say Linux, BeOS, MacOS 8/9, or OS X would be great wouldn't it). I'd get one of the ref designs in a minute personally - even if I had to run BeOS/Sheepsaver. I wonder if Sheepsaver will be updated to run OS 9 or X?
"The following is not just a Mac OS 9 issue -it's universal.
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