Alsoft releases DiskWarrior 4.1 CD updater (from 3/17/2008 news page)

"03/17/2008 - Free DiskWarrior 4 version 4.1 CD updater available
Owners of DiskWarrior 4 version 4.0 can now download a free CD updater (form w/SN required) to create a new startup CD containing DiskWarrior 4 version 4.1. Please note that the new startup CD will start up the same set of Macs as your current DiskWarrior CD. Your new CD will not start up any Mac that your current DiskWarrior CD can not..."

DW4 User Feedback: If you've used DiskWarrior 4 let me know what you think of it and include your Mac Model details. Thanks.

(added 3/18/2008 - updated 3/19 - see updated notes)
"A bug in Disk Warrior 4.1?
I downloaded the 4.1 updater and created a new startup disk. I then dragged the DW application from the new CD onto my internal hard drive from which I was booted into 10.5.2. I then ran DW on my backup external firewire drive containing 10.5.1. It ran perfectly.

I moved the Disk Warrior application to the firewire drive and booted from it. I then ran DW 4.1 on my internal drive. Upon reaching the Verify Directory stage I had a kernel panic. I restarted and ran it again with the same result.

To make sure it was not a problem with my OS on the firewire drive I cloned my internal to the FW drive and tried again. Same result, a kernel panic when trying to run DW on the internal drive when booted from the firewire drive.

Booting from a Tiger partition on the external FW drive and running DW 4.1 on the internal drive works fine.
(he later wrote)
Re: Disk Warrior and Kernel Panic:
I spoke with Alsoft tech support. One of their suggestions was that it might be caused by Login Items. I booted from the external firewire drive and deleted all Login Items. I then rebooted. I then added back the Login Items one at a time, each time rebooting and running Disk Warrior from the firewire drive to repair the internal drive. No kernel panic occurred on any of the tests. Safe Boot did not solve the problem.
(and a later mail saying yesterday's Security Update seems to have helped)
Hi Mike. More on DW 4.1 to be added to my report.
This morning I tried to replicate the problem so as to get the crash logs. I could not. The only change was that I had installed the latest Security Update 2008-002. The update seems to have had the side benefit of fixing my problem.
Thanks to Alsoft for their help in resolving this. Good support.
-Ken"

(added 3/18/2008)
"Sounds like David C (earlier report below) has some burner or other software problems. I too burned the updated CD without any difficulties at all. The CD boots both my PPC and Intel machines, and successfully analyzed and replaced directories on both of them. One would think that a faulty updater from Alsoft would affect everyone, or at least a significant percentage of people, and his is the first such complaint I've heard.
I'd suggest he try a different machine to make the burn, and/or verify that his download was not corrupt.
hth, Tracy"

I asked if he'd try another mac or burner and I've had some media brands that failed verify in Toast at their rated speed but reducing burn rates helped. (The DW update script does its own burning so no way to change rates though.) Rebooting clean and trying again with nothing else running is worth trying also. (Update - he later wrote he finally had a successful burn...)

(added 3/18/2008)
"MacBook Pro 2.0 Ghz
Last night I tried to use the Diskwarrior 4.1 patch to burn a new start up CD. After three successive burns gave me a "Dismount any DiskWarrior image as there was an error during the write process...." error I gave up. (Another reader earlier said he saw the same error) This coupled with the fact that it took Alsoft weeks to provide this update to prior users has me very frustrated with what used to be an excellent product.
-Sam W."

(added 3/18/2008 from 3/17 mail - updated 3/18 with note he finally had an OK burn...)
"Have you tried to update your copy of v4.0 DiskWarrior to v4.1 with the new updater that is out?
(I don't own DW v4. I have v3 and v2, but hadn't bought v4 yet-Mike)
I've now tried 3X and failed each time, each with a different error:

1.) CD Failed To Verify, even though v4.1 was on the CD when finished...bottom line? (Did you try reducing burn rate/speed? to say 4x? (I later found out that the updater does the burn so not sure how you'd lower rates - but maybe try a different mac/different burner or different brand of media.)) In spite of verification failure, I attempted to boot my Dual Core 2.3GHz G5 with the CD and it hung for more than 40 minutes before I gave up and hard killed the Mac by holding down the power button for 15 seconds or so, then rebooted holding down the mouse so that the CD ejected upon bootingÑit wasn't a coaster, but may as well have been!

2) Updater filed to finish the Burn sequence, hanging up at the "Finishing burn" stage right at the end of the process, result was a coaster of a CD that hung up in my DVR-110 (internal drive), would not eject, would not force eject...had to physically open up the G5, remove the optical drive, and use the "paper clip in the hole tactic" to manually eject the CD. How about that!

3) My last effort just failed at the stage where it writes the new version, saying "Dismount any DiskWarrior image as there was an error during the write process...."et al.

DAMN!
There's something very much wrong with the updater IMHO with these three different scenario's happening. I just don't have any more time to devote to trouble-shooting the problem(s), or I would. I've got a call into Alsoft Support, left them a detailed message about the problems I encountered, and hopefully will hear back from them tomorrow sometime.
WHAT a WASTE of TIME!!
Regards, David C."

I'd try another computer/burner (if not available try a different media brand perhaps - if not do a clean reboot and have no other tasks/apps running...)
Update: At 7PM Tuesday David wrote he finally had an OK burn - using same mac/media:

" I finished the LA job in just a few minutes, so got a chance just now to try the update again on the G5 one more time before I gave up on it, and guess what, it worked fine!! Go figure!...
(log report omitted to save space)
I am going to try and start up one of my other Mac with the updater CD right now, and I'll email you the results in a few minutes...can't interrupt the G5 right now, as it's rendering a DVD from my work today, just a short 2GB DVD, so that won't take more than an hour and then I can try booting the G5 also with the new DiskWarrior v4.1 CD ROM.
FYI I used the same media again, same DVR-110 optical drive, of course the same G5.
The media has always been good, in spite of its Òno brand nameÓ source, it's called ÒPeri 56X Multi 700MB CD-RÓ media, and I've never had a problem with it before, used it for dozens of CD ROM's for my various vehicles CD players, making MP3 CD's for my Mercedes Benz's player, my Mazda CX-7's player, and the wife's Honda player with 100% success over the past couple of years. I got the media on special at SuperMediaStore.com back in 2005 as I recall, bought 4 x 100-packs for something like $30 including shipping.
I honestly have no ideas about what went wrong yesterday!! Mo clue, nada. But today it worked, so it's all good as of this moment.
-David C. "

I suspect with your no-name media you got a 'better' sample disc (or just had better random luck with them, the processes running at the time or whatever - did you reboot the machine since the previous attempts?). I get bulk Verbatim DVD discs for very cheap and well worth it IMHO (never had an issue with them - but have had verify problems with other brands, even name brands at rated/default speeds)

(added 1/22/2007)
"I have used DiskWarrior 4 on a MacBook Pro 17" with 2GB of RAM. I normally partition my drive with an Emergency 10GB section. I placed DsikWarrior there with a minimal OS X. I boot from that and repaired my other partitions. Everything went well and just found a couple of minor error and fixed them.

I also used it on my old PowerBook G4 through Firewire disk mode and it worked fine.
I did not try booting from the CD.
-Pedro G."

(added 1/19/2007)
"I am using DW 4.0 on a 2.0GHz 15" MacBook Pro with 2GB RAM.
I had been using Apple's Disk Utility about once a month on this computer, correcting minor problems, and, finally, DW 4.0 arrived (I pre-ordered).
Now, I can sleep better knowing that my favorite and most essential Mac utility is here.

When I first ran it, it did take about 5 minutes to boot, but then ran quite a bit faster than DW 3.0.3. (DW 3.x wasn't universal binary)
It found critical errors in the volume information, which it corrected by replacing the directory. After rebooting, it seemed that the computer ran faster.
So far, no problems. As AlSoft suggests, I run it about once a month to keep the directory in good shape.
Glad to see it has finally appeared!
All the Best, William M. "

DW has repaired several drives here in the past (well worth the money spent) but I'd also want to have a backup of important files as sooner or later hard drives fail (hardware failures, not just drive/directory corruption). I use a portable FW drive the last few years, one of the most used/useful drives I've ever owned.

(added 1/18/2007)
"I received my DW 4 disc yesterday and ran it on my 24" iMac (Core 2 Duo) perfectly. No problems with how DW 4 worked. I also ran the separate scan for repairing permissions and finding corrupted preferences and it found a couple that were indeed corrupted (old screen saver modules that got sucked over when I migrated in Firewire target mode from my old dual G4 tower to my Intel Mac).

It takes almost 5 minutes to boot up from the DW CD on this Mac, but that likely has more to do with OS X as well as the slow internal DVDRW drive Apple stuck in this model (Panasonic/Matsushita UJ-85J).
-Joseph S."

It takes a long time to boot from CD here even on a G5 tower.

(added 1/17/2007)
"About a month ago, the hard drive in my iBook G4 went south. Based on various user recommendations, I bought DiskWarrior 4. It didn't seem to be doing anything, but their tech support assured me that it was, indeed, working. After seven days of this, I finally found a suggestion to check the Console and discovered that DiskWarrior had lost contact with the drive within the first three hours and I'd been running both my Power Mac G5 and my iBook G4 (the latter in Target Disk Mode) 24/7, for nothing.

At Alsoft tech support's prompting, I tried again, but after several days, it hadn't recovered a single block - every single one returned an error.

To be fair, I also tried Apple's Disk Utility, Carbon Copy Cloner, Data Rescue II, FileSalvage 5.1, PhotoRecovery 3, TechTool Pro 4, Boomerang, and even (in desperation) Norton Utilities, none of which fared much better than DiskWarrior. What finally worked was to hook the iBook (in TDM, natch) (Firewire Target Disk Mode) up to an old B&W G3 (booted into 9) and back up the whole drive using the freeware SilverKeeper 1.1.4, from LaCie. I wasted four weeks and hundreds of dollars on these high-end recovery tools and in the end, the freeware app was the only one that could help.
Go figure.-Jeff"

I don't own DiskWarrior 4 but several times I have had DW 3.0x and DW2.x repair drives that would not boot/mount, had volume wrapper, directory damage, etc. I've also had DW (v3 and v2) fix drives that would mount but any attempts to copy files off it failed. (If possible I like to copy important files off a drive before any utility tries to repair it - avoiding any writes to the damaged drive of course.) Odd that utils like Data Rescue didn't work if the files could simply be copied ok via FW Target Disk Mode. Have you verified that all the files are OK? (no corruption, all files copied ok, etc.) although I realize with tens (or hundreds) of thousands of files it's almost impossible to verify every file has no corruption/is totally intact. (I've never used SilverKeeper personally - maybe it has file verification/comparison but I'd still want to check important files to verify they were complete/OK.) Using OS 9 to copy files would ignore any file permissions (unlike OS X) however.
My copy of DiskWarrior has paid for itself more than once, but an important lesson often never learned until a disaster happens is to have a backup of important files. (For many years I have used a portable FW cased drive for this, although I accidently dropped it last fall - head crash into the platter... Another lesson learned the hard way.)

(added 12/27/2006)
"Some more feedback for you - I have a 2.16 GHz 17" MacBook Pro (original Core Duo model). At some point it started getting an "invalid node structure" error in the filesystem (HFS+, Journaled).

I was lucky in that it didn't prevent me from booting the OS (as these types of errors so often can), but "fsck"/Disk Utility could not fix the error. (I even wasted $99 on Drive Genius only to find that it immediately returned an error when I asked it to repair the disk.) I had installed Windows XP in Boot Camp so, not wanting to risk further damage, I started using it as a Windows machine only (I have an old PowerBook G4 17" still around as a backup) until I could decide what to do. I had half a mind to wipe it out and start from scratch (I'd made a full backup) but for some reason just never got around to it, and then Disk Warrior 4 came along like manna from heaven. I booted from the CD and did a replace directory and it worked with no problem, and I am back in business again (I am typing this on the MacBook Pro running in 10.4.8 now).

It appalls me that Apple has not incorporated the ability to replace the Volume directory in Disk Utility. One should not have to depend on 3rd party manufacturers to address deep-seated (not to mention long-standing) issues such as these with "unfixable" errors in the vendor's repair utility program. In the meantime, thank goodness for Alsoft having come out with this new version - I will think twice in the future about moving to a new architecture before a version of Disk Warrior is available for it. It's simply too critical a lifesaver.
Best regards, Greg E. "

(added 12/27/2006)
"Recently ran the new DW4 on two of my very different Macs. (Booted from CD on both) I now notice that my screensaver prefs are now ignored. Screensavers now come on in 15 minutes even if set to "never" come on. (???) Tried trashing some prefs with no luck.

Macbook 13in 2.0Ghz Core Duo Intel (1st gen)
2GB ram
10.4.8 fully up to date via SW Update

Apple G5 Dual 2.3Ghz PCI-X
4GB ram (Crucial)
10.4.8 fully up to date via SW Update
Thanks, Robb "

Doesn't makes sense that the screensaver app would ignore the setting. (Standard OS X screensaver or 3rd party one?) When you ran DW did it say it found any corrupted prefs or damaged files?

(added 12/27/2006)
"fyi - received and ran diskwarrior 4 on a dual G5. Ran from a second hard drive cloned with carbon copy cloner. Ran fast, found a few things and fixed it. Rebooted normally.
Ditto on a 24" imac. no problems thus far.
-dkchun "

(added 12/26/2006)
"I just received my DW4 update. I ran it (i.e. directory replacement - see below) on a Macbook and it made the computer unbootable. I had to restore from a previous backup using SuperDuper. I have never had a bad experience with DW before. I am a little mystified about what happened.
(I asked him what for more info on what was done with DW (i.e. just a directory replacement?-Mike)
Just a directory replacement. The drive was in good shape prior ... meaning no errors using other utilities.
I thought after I did the SuperDuper restore that possibly running the OSX install disks again or repairing booting off the install might have worked. But the SD backup was only 3 weeks old and I had .Mac backups of my document folder so I went for a sure thing.
I wonder if I just got a bad Disk Warrior DVD or something? I will write to them after the holidays and see what is up.
Obviously, I won't be using DW4 again until I know.

I *should* have backed up my drive before I used the DW4 utility but I have used their utility for so long without problems I was assumptive.
-Steve"

I know the feeling. I've not bought DW4 yet, but I trust DW 3.0x more than any other 3rd party disk utility I have.

(added 12/26/2006)
Ran it on a G4 PB, 1.5GHz (OS is 10.4.8). I can't say I am overwhelmed. I expect it ran the repairs faster, but the startup took so long (I made a cheese sandwich while waiting) that whatever gains should have been realized, were colored. Why in the world didn't they use a DVD, (I guess they figured a CD was more widely compatible (for those w/o a DVD drive) and didn't need the extra space of a DVD disc) and have a Finder (I think Apple has restricted this, to be fair), also?

Two anecdotes. It did run faster. I think 2/3 the time. Also, I ran DW 3.0.3 prior to using v4, and v4 found errors. Is this significant? (what kind of errors?)

I have no use for Permission Repair, what soever. Can someone please tell me where this "plist repair" function is, or into what is it built? (it's checking preferences for corruption. Corrupted prefs can cause problems) When checking the hardware, only the internal hard drive showed. My external was not in the list. It was an enclosure, so maybe that was the issue.
I have to say that my initial reaction for those with PPC machines, "Save your money" (if you have DW 3.0x already). For Intel Macs though, this is a must have.
Later, SCB "

(added 12/20/2006)
"I haven't yet recieved my CD, but I have used an installed version of DW4 on a number of disks, and I must say that speed indeed has gone up running on a MacBook, but I haven't noticed any improvements on my G3 iMac. Opening Activity Monitor you can see that two apps (Diskwarrior itself and the app doing either file or directory repair) actually are running side by side distributing the load fine between the two cores. I don't know If DW3 ran better on MPs, but DW4 surely flies.

As an owner of DW3 I was quite disappointed that a downloadable upgrade isn't an option, so I was kind of forced to buy the full version as I had a big problem with a disk that DW3 wouldn't fix :-(

My solution to fixing that disk might actually be of interest to people here:

The disk was heavily damaged with bad blocks, and any tool I tried would just lock up when I connected the drive (external firewire/usb 2.5" 60GB) via firewire to the iMac or MacBook. Running out of good ideas I bought DW4 and connected via usb to the Macbook, and suddenly the drive actually mounted. I am sorry to tell that after hours of doing all kind of tricks I can't remember if it mounted after running DW4 or just by connecting via usb, which in itself sounds strange - but maybe I should check the log files for clues.
This gave me the possibility to pick a few files and actually copy them from the drive in Finder, but of course with lots of lock-ups due to bad blocks.

Running DW for hours and hours just saying "speed reduced by disk malfunction 1" (to 57) - each number refers to 15 or 16 bad blocks - I had to take the laptop with me and aborted also thinking that this might take days.... Every time you would run DW on the drive it would start all over again!

So I tried to fire up CopyCatX 4.0 because the developers claim that this app has excellent capabilities of getting data off a drive with bad blocks and also being able to resume if the drive overheats. It only took 8 hours to fulfill the recover task reporting that 280MB of the drive was damaged by bad blocks - wow! But the result was questionable because files I had before been able to see in the Finder were gone on the destination .dmg file. So I got the idea of running DW4 on the .dmg - and voila! DW4 found all the files that had been visible in the Finder and I was able to copy them to another drive in the preview mode of DW4. Of course some files were missing, but with such heavy damage the end result was very very positive.

So the short of the long is: Use CopyCatX to recover a heavily bad- block-damaged drive to a .dmg and thereafter run DW4 on the .dmg! DW4 would "never" get the job done and CopyCat won't save all recoverable files...

For your information DW4 has now been running on the drive for about 24 hours and still hasn't finished the bad block pass! (Now at 562 and counting)
(he later wrote:)
I have now run DW4 undisturbed for 36 hours counting up to about 700 malfunctions. But now DW4 has returned to the initial "Graph, Rebuild window" saying "Directory cannot be rebuilt due to disk hardware failure (-36 2257)"

This went a "bit" off topic, but I hope someone can use my experiences and save themselves a lot of time.
Regards, Asger
PS: Kudos to the DW staff for their prompt, precise and very useful feedback. "

(added 12/20/2006)
"I intalled Disk Warrior 4 about 2 weeks ago, (D/L upgrade version I assume?-Mike) and it's been great. I have a MacBook Core Duo, 2 Ghtz, 2gb RAM.
One of my external hard drives was hosed, and neither Apple's Disk Utility or the latest Tech Tool Pro 4.0.2 could find or mount the thing. Disk Warior found it, mounted it and fixed it. Need I say more?
-Jeff"

(added 12/20/2006)
"Got it last week. It works in my Quicksilver w/G4 Dual 1.8GHZ CPU upgrade, 1.5GB RAM. I have 4 internal hard drives, only one of which is data only.

Installed DW 4 on the 3 drives with Tiger. It is significantly faster in doing the Directory rebuild; probably on the order of 30% faster - my educated guess.

The new/added function of files and preference testing also works. DW 4 found 3 third party apps with problems. I removed all traces of these apps and re-installed them, even though they had not exhibited any misbehavior. I did not then re-run DW to test for the same problems but will do so next month during my regularly scheduled maintenance.
Regards, Ed W."

(added 12/20/2006)
"I also received my DW4 yesterday. On my old G4 dual 1.25Ghz MDD I find it much, much faster than version 3. But the load time is inordinately long. Alsoft confirms that it can be between 5 and 10 minutes (they say it is because they are loading 10.4 files into memory).

I too had it find files that DW4 said were problems that Preferential Treatment didn't. (BUT he later wrote) I need to amend my previous message. After downloading the latest version of Preferential Treatment (v1.1.7), PT did in-fact find the same files as DW4. Maybe the first poster was using an older version.

I had to add DW4 to the Master Exclusion list of APE so it would run from the desktop.

When I ran the Permissions repair from the CD, multiple Permissions were repaired. I did not run Disk Utility upon restart so I don't know if there were differences.
Keep the Faith, Bill T. "

(added 12/19/2006)
" My Disk Warrior 4 order came Saturday Dec 16th and after several days use, here's a few observations from using it on an iBook G4/1GHz (1GB RAM), a PowerBook Pismo G3/400 (768MB RAM) and a TiBook G4/1.67GHz.
First some notes Alsoft's site and the installer readme:

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"What's new in DiskWarrior?
DiskWarrior 4 is now the one utility program that solves all of the common problems you'll likely encounter on your Mac. Just look at these new features:

Universal binary: DiskWarrior 4 works on both PowerPC and Intel Macs.

Significantly faster: For many disks, directory rebuilding is twice as fast as the previous version.

Repairs invalid file permissions: No need to run more than one utility. Repairing permissions and repairing directory errors are the two most common disk maintenance procedures.

Includes an additional suite of file and folder tests: Finds problems before they cause you trouble.

Identifies corrupted preference (.plist) files: A bad preference file can wreak havoc. Now you don't need to reset all your preferences because a single preference file is bad.

Recovers more data from drives with hardware malfunctions: Recover your important files from most failing drives, possibly saving you thousands of dollars in professional recovery costs.

Detects and repairs more disk problems than ever: The best is even better.

Repairs and rebuilds FileVaults: FileVaults suffer from directory damage too. DiskWarrior is your only choice if you need the data security of a FileVault.

Repairs and rebuilds disk images: Get back the files you thought you had safely tucked away in a disk image.

Fully supports case-sensitive file names: If you use case-sensitive disks then DiskWarrior is your best choice.

Repairs and rebuilds Attribute B-trees: First introduced in Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger), Attribute B-trees are a new addition to the disk directory. DiskWarrior rebuilds them as easily as it rebuilds the original catalog and extents B-trees.

Repairs Access Control Lists (ACLs): ACLs are a new permissions model first supported in Mac OS X 10.4. DiskWarrior repairs them too.

(from the Installation Read Me)
"Please note that to install DiskWarrior 4, your Mac must start up in Mac OS X 10.3.9 through 10.4.x. This is a change from DiskWarrior 3 which supported older versions of Mac OS X. Attempting to launch DiskWarrior 4 under older versions of Mac OS X will have different results depending upon the version of Mac OS X your Mac is running. You will either see an error message or, possibly, DiskWarrior 4 will momentarily appear in the dock and then disappear with no message displayed. Please read the system requirements for DiskWarrior 4. DiskWarrior 4 is now shipping on DiskWarrior CD revision 40. This CD is a universal startup CD that can start up both PowerPC and Intel Macs. All Mac models introduced as of 11/28/2006 and meeting the system requirements for DiskWarrior can be started from the CD."

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My observations so far:

The time from boot (from CD) to useable is still quite long. The opening splash screen is black and the old was blue
While some indicated a much faster running of routines in DW4, I sure don't see it here on a couple of machines (iBook G4/1GHz, Pismo G3/400). It's about the same to me (as DW 3.0x).

The new tab option of Check all Files and Folders is a nice addition, but this is where it starts to get into a spitting contest. DW4 found several bad preference files in it's opinion, even though the app runs excellent and Preferential Treatment fails to find the same issue. (Note: A reader above mentioned the same thing, before he updated Preferential Treatment to v1.1.7.-Mike)

DW4 also now does one of my favorite things, Repair Permissions ;-) But, upon running Disk Utility on rebooting, and then comparing the reports of both, Apple repaired almost all the DW4 repairs and then some. Go figure. I stayed with Apple's results and have seen no problems.

There is a tech note already that " If you're running an installed version of DiskWarrior and it freezes when "starting services" is displayed, to see their site". The problem here is installed haxies. (and Application Enhancer, required for some unsanity haxies - see this Alsoft support item on this.-Mike)

Overall, I'm not overwhelmed, but I am glad all Mac users now have access to undeniably the best Apple specific disk utility app ever.

(also from the readme - a note about paths/special characters)

"The actual location of the DiskWarrior application is important. Because DiskWarrior is a sophisticated disk utility, it runs into a current limitation of a portion of the Mac OS needed by DiskWarrior but not by most applications. Due to this limitation, the path (the names of the enclosing folders all the way to the top level of the disk) cannot contain certain characters.
The actual list of allowable and non-allowable characters is too large to list so it's best if the path contains only the letters A-Z, the digits 0-9, and spaces."

OK so far. But this:

"For example, /Applications/Utilities/DiskWarrior is a good path while /Applications/Utilities/DiskWarrior ƒ/DiskWarrior is a bad path because of the "ƒ" character.

Since when is this f a factor? Or is it a Special Character they are specifically showing? (yes, it's a special character - Option+F. This has -sometimes- been an issue IIRC in the past sometimes (for instance with Netscape not finding a Reunion 6 manual in a folder named with Option-F) but I rarely use that naming since the pre-OS X era.-Mike)
I've done it for years? Is that why my machine runs so good??? I've also seen many installs over the years use the special character also. Several right now at root and user levels. DiskWarrior 3.0.3 here was always in a folder with the ƒ character name with tons of other folders with an ƒ and no problems, as well as running DW4 with tons of other folders with an ƒ and no problems. Just the original location of the DW4 install?Ê
-Matthew Culmore"