|Detailed Comments on Dual G4/800 System w/ZIP Drive: |
Last Updated: 9/13/2001
Jarod Wilson sent a detailed listing of comments on his new G4/800 Dual Processor system, comparing it to his previous Dual G4/500. He also included comments on the drive bay and ZIP drive bezel as well as some Quake3 tests with a GeForce 3 vs Radeon graphics card. He also said the keyboard has some changes over the previous model.
I would just like to share my experiences upgrading my personal system from
a G4/500DP to a G4/800DP. There are some small differences here and there
that I haven't heard mentioned before, and some I have, but will reiterate.
- The new case really does look much nicer than the old case.
- Despite the complaints about noise I've heard from others, I don't really
hear much difference between the 500 and the 800.
[There have been several articles here on Quicksilver noise reduction, from owners that complained about fan noise. The Systems page links to the first one, which has 4 other links in it to the other articles.-Mike]
- The new machines require a bit of customization to the front bezel of an
optical drive (CD/DVD) to get them to fit. The front cover of most CD trays
won't fit through the opening on the case.
- The version of OS X on the machine is 10.0.4, build 4S10, rather than
10.0.4, build 4Q12. OS 9 version is 9.2.1.
- Despite people's comments that the motherboard looks as if it might have
been intended for a different case, I think the shifting of components
simply looks like Apple wanted to get the processor in a position where they
could draw air in directly across the processor to reduce temperatures. The
old layout had various ports (mainly the FireWire ports) in the way of being
able to do this.
- For those who were wondering (I was, anyway) how the internal Zip drive
worked, the solid bezel is just replaced with one that has a hole in it for
Zip disks to be inserted (with a black door covering the hole), which sort
of detracts from the appearance of the front of the machine.
- The QuickSilver that I got came with a different keyboard than the one
with my old 500. Just 3 weeks ago at work, I got an Apple USB keyboard from
the Apple Store that was identical to my old 500 keyboard, but the one that
came with the 800 is a bit different. It actually feels even better than the
old keyboard, with a slightly more responsive feel. Additionally, the
markings on the keys are a brighter white, making it easier to see the keys,
especially in low-light situations.
- I simply pulled the hard drives out of my 500 and moved them over to the
800 (which meant just swapping the main hard drive bracket with drive(s) on
it between the two machines, very easy). When I tried to install the GeForce
drivers (GeForce 2.1.1 update from Apple), I was unable to do so. I was
informed that this driver was not intended for my system, despite the fact
that the 800 has a GeForce 3 in it. I ended up manually extracting the
nVidia drivers with TomeViewer, and all is well, as far as graphics
acceleration. The 500 has/had a Radeon installed... Even removing all ATI
drivers and trying the GeForce update failed, as did running the GeForce
update after manually installing the nVidia drivers. Installing 9.2.1 from
the included CD over the top of my current install may cure some of the
- Under OS X, Quake 3, running exactly the same config, went from 58-59 fps
on the 500 w/Radeon, to 90 fps on the 800 w/GeForce 3. Later, I intend to
try out the Radeon in the 800 to get a more direct comparison between the
two cards (both are OEM from Apple, btw). I haven't tried Q3 under 9 yet (or
any other games for that matter, just haven't had the time yet).
- The power supply no longer has a monitor power receptacle (for
powering a non-ADC monitor through the computer), since Apple wants
everyone to go ADC.
- The 500 has plastic stick-on feet on the bottom of the case (one on
each of the bottom two handles), while the 800 does not. The recess into
which the stick-ons would go is still there, but no feet.
- The handles no longer have grooves in them. The handles are clear
and solid (but not to be mistaken for an anti-perspirant).
For reference, the full setup of the new machine is as follows:
- -Dual 800MHz PowerPC G4 processors
- -1.5GB of PC133 CL3 SDRAM ($55 per 512MB @ OWC!!!)
- -30GB IBM DeskStar 75GXP as primary drive
- -60GB Maxtor DiamondMax for storage (mp3's, downloads, etc)
- -Internal Iomega Zip 250
- -Internal Sony 12x CD-RW (now I'm kicking myself for not just spending the
extra cash for the SuperDrive, since it doesn't look very easy to swap a new
drive in to this machine)
- -GeForce 3
- -SoundBlaster Live! (when will we see OS X drivers?!?)
- -LiteOn 16/10/40 CD-RW drive in a QPS FireWire case (which works fine with
iTunes under both OS 9 and X with the modified plugins I submitted earlier)
And the old machine, as it now stands after being stripped of things that
moved to the 800:
- -Dual 500MHz PowerPC G4 processors
- -384MB PC100 SDRAM (also had one of the 512's in it, but I moved it to the
- -40GB IBM DeskStar 5400rpm drive (the OEM drive from the 800)
- -Internal Iomega Zip 100
If there are any questions anyone has, or any further testing/comparison
information someone would like, I would be happy to try and satisfy such a
request. Thanks for the wonderful site! It is the first thing I read every
[he later wrote]
I should have some time this evening to play around with the two video cards
for a direct comparison of them in the 800. For a completely thorough
analysis, it may have to be put off until the weekend, when I can actually
devote a large enough chunk of time to it, but I'll see what I can
accomplish tonight. I also have a GeForce 2 MX in my Athlon PC that I have
been considering replacing with a GeForce 3, which would make the MX
available to flash and test out in the 800 as well...
Dual 800 and Dual 500
Dual 800 Motherboard
Dual 500 Motherboard
For other Quicksilver system related articles, see the G4 Macs section of the Systems page. (The systems page also has articles on previous G4 models, G3 macs, Powerbooks, iBooks, iMacs, Cubes and older mac models.)
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